[net.philosophy] put Bud in jail for restricting liberty

trc@houca.UUCP (10/07/83)

Response to Paul on Bud Wiser:

If the victims dont know they are being damaged, and Bud doesnt suspect
that he is hurting them, how can you expect Bud to do anything about it?
If he later finds out, yes, he should do something about it - but there 
is a limit to what he can be expected to do to check for injuries.

Bud might have to buy "pollution rights" from the surrounding people,
if he starts a new factory - but it is more likely that he would buy
it from some other factory with excess pollution rights.  So it can
be practical to start new factories.

The idea that Bud is restricting the potential liberty of others by 
starting to pollute is not sufficient to justify "the world" having 
control over his pollution.  Otherwise, you could argue that everyone 
has a right to control *everything* that anyone does, since any action, 
including inaction, affects others' abilities to do things.  In effect
you are saying that the need for the preservation of liberty justifies 
its extinction.  The flaw lies in your implicit definition of liberty.
Liberty is lack of restraints upon one's exercise of one's human rights.  
It is not the same as "ability to do things".  Since no one had property 
rights where Bud set up at, no one can claim that their rights have been 
restricted or harmed.

Most people take the Prisoners' Dilemma to imply that they should, under
some circumstances, act in an altruistic manner.  However, one assumption
of the PD problem is that neither prisoner knows enough about the other
to guess how the other will act.  While it is true that if both happen
to be altruists, they will get the maximum benefit, it is also true that
the penalties on the altruist will be maximized if only one is an altruist.  
This fact is usually ignored in the analysis that says people should be 
altruistic.  Any assumption that the other prisoner is also an altruist
is invalid, by the conditions of the PD problem.  In fact, a proper analysis
would state that, under the imposed condition of ignorance, only game-theory
should be used, in order to maximize one's benefits - which in this case
means that one should not be altruistic.  (And of course, this is a rather
contrived example, and is right up there with lifeboats.)

	Tom Craver
	houca!trc