[net.philosophy] Tripe Fishing in America

kissell@flairvax.UUCP (Baba ROM DOS) (08/17/84)

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>>> The concept of proof depends upon the concepts of cause and effect, among
>>> other things.
			Norm Andrews
			

>> This is simply not true.  The notion of logical proof involves implication
>> relationships between discrete statements in discourse.  This is an agreed 
>> upon rule of the game.  Causality assumes implication relationships between 
>> discrete events in the world.  The universe may or may not argue like a
>> philosopher, and it is not always clear what constitutes a "discrete" event.

			Baba ROM DOS

Now, John Williams weighs in with:

>	A discrete event is an individual sample.  A change that has taken
> place within defined time boundaries. The concept of proof implies an 
> accurate model in which you define the conditions, and are able to observe 
> the results. Logical proof is performed only in a logical system. Cause and
> effect can be observed in this system. 

OK, you want a definition of "proof"?  (Where's that damned notebook?)

A proof consists of a series P of formulae or statements, ending with some
conclusion C, such that for each statement S in P, S is either drawn from a
list of axioms, A, or there exists a statement R such that both R and
R => S appear above S in P. (R => S is a statement of logical implication.)

Note that there is NO TIME DOMAIN present here, only structural organization.
Thus I cannot see how you find cause and effect in the system.

I couldn't see what the rest of the article had to do with what Baba was saying.

Kevin D. Kissell
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