[net.philosophy] lemme out

williams@kirk.DEC (John Williams 223-3402) (09/13/84)

	I am posting a response to a letter I received concerning 
one of my previous articles. I was not sure whether posting 
someone else's private message was ethical, so I left him 
anonymous. I also intend to post this to net.physics ( much as I 
try to avoid multiple postings ) to see if I can encourage some 
response. I don't think you will find this one of those `` first 
glance '' postings, and that it may require some thinking. It is 
based upon a theory of mine which I call Historical Relativity. 
It accounts for black holes, and how we may actually reside 
within something that was one prior to the big bang.

	Thus begins:

>> I believe you are forgetting the definition that most people use
>> for universe.  There can be nothing "outside the universe"
>> because there is no "outside the universe." The Big Bang (or
>> start of the inflationary universe, depending on which theory you
>> subscribe to) does not imply any "outside."  The universe, when
>> smaller, was not contained in a bigger somewhere; the universe
>> con- tained all--by definition. As for god, if you are talking
>> about a controlling, theistic god, you are creating more problems
>> than you solve (except perhaps for certain per- sonality
>> disorders :-). If god is outside the universe And there is
>> nothing outside the universe god doesn't exist. 

> 	What do you propose we call that which is outside the 
> universe? OR . . . What do you propose we call that which is 
> contained within our event horizon? I will try to demonstrate a 
> finite yet unbounded entity to you.

> 	Imagine a gravity field in space that is so strong, that 
> no particle may escape it. The amount of mass in this entity is 
> enormous ( billions 'n' billions <sagan> ). The escape velocity 
> for this mass exceeds the speed of light. The time dilation 
> effect makes the internal clock extremely slow. As a particle 
> moves from the center of the mass, it's time scale starts to 
> speed up. As it reaches it's apex, it is doing so much faster 
> relative to the center, and turns around to go in the other side 
> so that the amount of time it took relative to the center is 
> proportionate to the amount of time it might take if it had 
> simply disappeared and reappeared on the other side. The time 
> passes much more slowly inside one of these entities, so that 
> anything that occurs outside happens relatively much faster.
> Inside, there would be no way of knowing where the center is, due 
> to the way the time dilation effects would alter your 
> observations. Assuming that matter has the same repulsive force 
> inside as that which caused the BIG BANG, this entity would be 
> exploding, but at a much slower rate, relatively, as to be 
> virtually unobservable.

> 	What I have tried to explain to you is an unstable 
> quantum called a black hole. The comparison one can make with the 
> universe is compelling. It is possible that the characteristics 
> of stabile quanta are determined by the harmony of such unstable
> quanta within gravity fields and being observed essentially from 
> outside. There is an inherent instability with the universe, 
> particles are waves, oscillations. What is inside a quanta can 
> never escape except in the presence of external influence.

> 	Happy Digestion.

> 	The universe works, somehow.
>					----{ john williams}----

	I am not sure whether this discussion belongs in 
net.philosophy, but I feel that it is important to note that 
something residing outside the `` universe '' is a strong 
possibility. It is interesting to consider what a finite, 
unbounded entity might look like to an outside observer.
It is also interesting to consider what makes subatomic particles 
unstable. The idea of stable quanta ( or unstable, for that 
matter ) depends very strongly on relativity. Is it possible that 
time provides a sort of hysteresis between two opposing forces so 
they oscillate? One force would be gravity. What would the other 
force be? 

	I subscribe to both net.philosophy -and- net.physics.
Any responses are welcome.

	< man's greatest mistakes occur when he over estimates 
	          the privileges GOD has given him >

				----{ john williams }----

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