[net.philosophy] 'libertarianism'

rsl@ihnss.UUCP (10/04/84)

To the "Aspiring Iconoclast" I offer a challenge to demolish a few
  of his own closely guarded icons, -- namely:
	"peoples' welfare",
	"public good(s)",
	malicious, dispassionate libertarianism
	status quo(?) libertarianism {I did not think anyone was this
		misinformed about libertarianism!!! :-) }.
	... (?)
I would also like to extend a few basic questions:
  How would *you* determine "justly-owned property"?
	(I agree that much property is unjustly acquired/held and
	that many individuals disagree about what "just acquisition"
	means;  my understanding of libertarianism is that it holds
	property rights to be a natural extension of individual
	rights and that a valid function of gov'ts is to protect
	property rights and to adjudicate disputes over ownership.
	What's so bad about that?)
  What limits do *you* place on the *initiation* of physical force
	against individuals by governments?  (You point out that
	libertarians advocate "USE" of [retaliatory] force to
	protect property, but is that not clearly different from
	"initiating" force?  Unjustly acquired property would seem
	to me to imply *initiation* of force, and thus might involve
	restitution by a libertarian government, if a victim could be
	identified and the injustice could be proven.  As for
	inheritance, where is the victim?  the injustice?)
  What rules, based upon whose values, would you use in determining
	what you think the "public good" is?  ("Whatever some
	awesome, elitist bureaucracy, somewhat controlled by
	democratically elected so-called representatives, decides"
	does *not* answer my question.  To what extent would you
	enslave me, by taking the values that I fairly and
	peacefully produced, to further your cause at the expense
	of one selcected by me?  Do you not see the violation of my
	rights as a human being?  If not, you put me in a poition of
	having to defend myself against you, and I will!!!)
"Libertarianism is *not* Anarchy;  as some of it's opponents would
	mislead you to believe."
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