[net.philosophy] replies on freedom - incomprehensible

baba@flairvax.UUCP (Baba ROM DOS) (10/26/84)

>AAAUUUUGGGGHHHH!  Freedom has NOTHING, repeat NOTHING, to do with randomness!
>Dice are NOT any freer than billiard balls!  And ROM DOS's extra condition is
>hopelessly ad hoc -- what do self-awareness and randomness have to do with
>each other?  Or with free will?  Does knowledge of one's slavery make one 
>less a slave?  Should the thought that one is subject to chance give any
>comfort?  I would rather that my actions follow a consistent rationale.  

>Freedom has nothing to do with predictability.  It has a lot to do with
>rationality and the ability to evaluate actions according to a consistent, 
>best justified set of norms.

If my behavior can be accurately predicted, one of two things must be true:
either my behavior is deterministic or the predictor has precognition.

Predictability has rather more to to do with free will than slavery does.
Knowledge of one's ignorance *does* make one less ignorant.

And please, Paul, don't scream like that.  My terminal has very sensitive 
phosphors ;-)

						Baba

unbent@ecsvax.UUCP (10/28/84)

	From: baba@flairvax.UUCP (Baba ROM DOS) Fri Oct 26 04:06:06 1984
	(flairvax.799) net.philosophy : replies on freedom - incomprehensible
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	If my behavior can be accurately predicted, one of two things must
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	either my behavior is deterministic or the predictor has precognition.

	Predictability has rather more to to do with free will than slavery
	 does.
	Knowledge of one's ignorance *does* make one less ignorant.
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							Baba

If my behavior can be accurately predicted, that may simply be because, in
certain respects, I am a highly predictable person.  My secretary can
predict, quite accurately, that upon coming into the office I will hang up
my jacket, pour myself a cup of coffee, and go through the day's mail.  Does
she have precognition?  Not that I know of.  Is my behavior "deterministic"?
Maybe -- but its *predictability* isn't what would establish that, if
anything would.  All that the predictability of my behavior shows is (1)
that I have adopted a certain morning *routine*, and (2) that my secretary
is familiar with it.  Whatever else "determinism" requires, it surely
requires that I *couldn't* behave other than I do.  All that predictability
needs, however, is that it be true that I *won't* behave in ways other than
I have on relevantly similar occasions.  For that, it's enough that I be a
creature of habit.

Yours for clearer concepts,       --Jay Rosenberg
				    Dept. of Philosophy
...mcnc!ecsvax!unbent		    Univ. of North Carolina
				    Chapel Hill, NC  27514