[net.philosophy] determinism and free will

tdh@frog.UUCP (T. Dave Hudson) (11/02/84)

I heard a liberating idea a year or so ago.  The idea was that determinism and
free will do not conflict.

To sound unhinged for a moment, it means different things to say that you
cannot do other than you do and to say that you cannot control your own
behavior.

The first statement is not about determinism but about non-contradiction, or
that a thing cannot both be and not be at the same time and in the same
respects.  In other words, you cannot do other than what you will do.  Does
that at all imply that you can't choose among the options available what you
will do?

How does it make you any freer to have some uncontrollable universal glitch
determine your behavior rather than processes the infinitesimal and infinite
character of which you cannot possibly know the particulars?  Is your choice
somehow thereby improved?  How??  What could free will possibly mean in the
one case that it would not also mean in the other, except the freedom to be
unable to control your destiny at all?

What the hell is wrong with determinism?  Is it to be convicted on the guilt
of those who pretentiously claim beyond their knowledge, where they are not
speaking with conditions implied rather than of particulars, where they are
not speaking with scientifically validated causal connections but some
whimsical ones, that the future must be so, that someone cannot rise above
his (you name the group)?

I am ignorant of the past dialogue in this group.  I hope this article has
not been redundant.  A co-worker of mine says before he dropped out of a
net.philosophy that no longer discussed philosophy, he did not see this
point raised.

					David Hudson