myers@uwmacc.UUCP (Jeff Myers) (01/13/85)
> > > > Falwell/Moral Majority 8 > > Fundamentalist Christians 4 > > Jews for Jesus 2 > > Moonies 2 > > Campus Crusade for Christ 1 > > Mormons 1 > > ------------------------- - > > Total Miscelaneous Xians 18 > > > > Um, I beg to differ, but neither the Moonies and Mormons are "Christians". > Now, I'm not saying that the others are particularly _good_ examples of > Christians, but the others just down fit it that category. > > Try: "Miscelaneous Loony-toons", perhaps. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ray Lubinsky University of Virginia, Dept. of Computer Science > uucp: decvax!mcnc!ncsu!uvacs!rwl > > "Always looking for a better way, I am!" I suggest you find out more about the Mormon church, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints". Moonies I'm not qualified to comment on. -- Jeff Myers The views above may or may not University of Wisconsin-Madison reflect the views of any other Madison Academic Computing Center person or group at UW-Madison. ARPA: uwmacc!myers@wisc-rsch.arpa uucp: ..!{ucbvax,allegra,heurikon,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!myers
schmidt@reed.UUCP (Alan Schmidt) (01/22/85)
>> Um, I beg to differ, but neither the Moonies and Mormons are "Christians". >> Now, I'm not saying that the others are particularly _good_ examples of >> Christians, but the others just down fit it that category. >> >> Try: "Miscelaneous Loony-toons", perhaps. >> >> Ray Lubinsky >> > > I suggest you find out more about the Mormon church, "The Church of Jesus > Christ of Latter Day Saints". Moonies I'm not qualified to comment on. > > Jeff Myers Many Christian groups do not consider The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to be Christian. Therefore, it is not rhetorically incorrect to say Mormons are not Christian. I'm familiar with the convention, but I'm not too keen on the exact reasons behind it, though I suppose I could find out if someone really really needed to know (currently, supper starts in a half hour, so I'm not taking the research time). -- Alan (..tektronix!reed!schmidt)
larsen@druxo.UUCP (LarsenME) (01/24/85)
> Many Christian groups do not consider The Church of Jesus Christ >of Latter Day Saints to be Christian. Therefore, it is not rhetorically >incorrect to say Mormons are not Christian. > > ... > -- Alan > (..tektronix!reed!schmidt) Webster: "rhetoric - 1. the art of speaking or writing effectively." Unfortunately, "effective" writing does not imply accuracy, so I cannot dispute the second statement above. However, I would suggest that "many Christian groups" are as much in the dark about Mormons as the poster of the original article. After all, you don't go to IBM or Xerox to get answers to your questions about a VAX, but the right folks at Digital can tell you all you want to know. You may not like the answers, but you get it from the source, not from rumor or hearsay. Mark E. Larsen ...ihnp4!druxo!larsen P.S. These are my own views, not those of my employer.
bch@ecsvax.UUCP (Byron C. Howes) (01/30/85)
In article <837@reed.UUCP> schmidt@reed.UUCP writes: > Many Christian groups do not consider The Church of Jesus Christ >of Latter Day Saints to be Christian. Therefore, it is not rhetorically >incorrect to say Mormons are not Christian. Many Christian groups do consider the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to be Christian. Therefore, it is not rhetorically incorrect to say Mormons *are* Christian. By any objective standard, the Mormons would appear to be disciples of Christ following an intellectual tradition different from that of Apostolic christianity. That they differ from "mainstream" christi- anity in this day and age and that they aren't fundamentalist christians does not preclude them from being generically christian. Remember, at one time "mainstream" christianity did not consider protestant christians to be christians. -- Byron Howes System Manager -- NCECS ...!{decvax,akgua}!mcnc!ecsvax!bch
sm@cadre.UUCP (01/30/85)
In article <837@reed.UUCP> schmidt@reed.UUCP (PUT YOUR RELIGION HERE) writes: > Many Christian groups do not consider The Church of Jesus Christ >of Latter Day Saints to be Christian. Therefore, it is not rhetorically >incorrect to say Mormons are not Christian. Whoa! I would argue that the opinion of "Many Christian groups" is of no value, whatsoever, in determining who is a Christian [a person pro- fessing belief in Jesus as the Christ *OR* in the religion based on the teachings of Jesus - Webster]. Hitler's Germany and the Crusaders are examples of "Christians" that I am sure Jesus would have disavowed; so much for the opinion of self-proclaimed Christians. Haven't we seen enough of this discussion? Sean McLinden
sm@cadre.UUCP (01/30/85)
In article <588@ecsvax.UUCP> bch@ecsvax.UUCP (Byron C. Howes) writes: > ... That they differ from "mainstream" christi- >anity in this day and age and that they aren't fundamentalist >christians does not preclude them from being generically christian. >Remember, at one time "mainstream" christianity did not consider >protestant christians to be christians. Last I heard, "Christ" was a title and "Jesus Christ" a person. Convention suggests that "Christian" should be capitalized for those reasons (independent of religious belief). Our language is degenerating enough as it is and besides, capital letters add flair to a sentence. Sean McLinden (A former Teletype user)
bmt@we53.UUCP ( B. M. Thomas ) (02/01/85)
>..................... After all, you don't go to IBM or Xerox to get >answers to your questions about a VAX, but the right folks at Digital can >tell you all you want to know. You may not like the answers, but you get >it from the source, not from rumor or hearsay. > > Mark E. Larsen > ...ihnp4!druxo!larsen In that case, have I got a deal for you!! :-? brain
david@fisher.UUCP (David Rubin) (02/01/85)
I do not see how this series of articles is appropriate for net.politics. David Rubin
srm@nsc.UUCP (Richard Mateosian) (02/03/85)
I'm sure this discussion doesn't need to continue to be cross-posted to five
newsgroups. Couldn't you edit the "Newsgroups: " line next time you
follow up on the last follow-up to your previous follow-ups. I suggest
paring it down to net.religion.
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Richard Mateosian
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