[net.philosophy] science and social science

colonel@gloria.UUCP (06/09/85)

["Who are we anyway?" --J. Lennon In His Own Write]

> >    Individual subjective experience is by definition external to
> >    the universe of science, since the scientific method involves
> >    by definition phenomena that are verifiable by independent
> >    observers.
> 
> Does this mean that the social sciences aren't sciences?

If being wrong is a symptom of not being a science, social science
qualifies easily.
-- 
Col. G. L. Sicherman
...{rocksvax|decvax}!sunybcs!colonel

mms1646@acf4.UUCP (06/11/85)

>/* colonel@gloria.UUCP (Col. G. L. Sicherman) / 10:06 am  Jun  9, 1985 */

>If being wrong is a symptom of not being a science, social science
>qualifies easily.

No.  Only many social SCIENTISTS.

colonel@gloria.UUCP (Col. G. L. Sicherman) (06/13/85)

["In St. Louie they ruin it, But they think they're doin' it."]

> >If being wrong is a symptom of not being a science, social science
> >qualifies easily.
> 
> No.  Only many social SCIENTISTS.

Just my luck to wake up a Platonist.  Does anybody else believe that
social science "exists" apart from the people who do it?

		SMASH EXISTENCE!
-- 
Col. G. L. Sicherman
...{rocksvax|decvax}!sunybcs!colonel

mms1646@acf4.UUCP (Michael M. Sykora) (06/15/85)

What I meant was that a great many people who go by the title "Social
Scientists" are often wrong.  I believe that in many cases, the reason
is that they are attempting to use social science to "prove" their view
of the world.  I do not mean, of course, to discredit social scientists
in general.

							Mike Sykora

tonyw@ubvax.UUCP (Tony Wuersch) (06/17/85)

In article <833@gloria.UUCP>, colonel@gloria.UUCP (Col. G. L. Sicherman) writes:
> > >If being wrong is a symptom of not being a science, social science
> > >qualifies easily.
> > 
> > No.  Only many social SCIENTISTS.
> 
> Just my luck to wake up a Platonist.  Does anybody else believe that
> social science "exists" apart from the people who do it?
> 
> 		SMASH EXISTENCE!

I concur both with the Colonel's sentiment and his call.  But the "Only
many social SCIENTISTS" line could imply that the standards of the writer
of that line only permit the work of some current social scientists to
fit his definition of social science.

Which is ok, since every evaluation of scientific merit involves subjective
standards of adequacy.  And since social science lacks a core set of ideas
in which lack of belief by an individual amounts to non-membership in the
class of social scientists (a science can't be a science if everybody can
be a scientist), social science standards include a lot of subjective
variation.

As far as believing that social science "exists", I'd say it does "exist"
apart from the people who do it.  It also "exists" in the history of the
people who did it.

Tony Wuersch
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