weemba@brahms.BERKELEY.EDU (Matthew P. Wiener) (01/20/86)
I read P Kitcher _The Nature of Mathematical Knowledge_ last October. I immediately sent the letter below to him. I never received a response, so if any Kitcher fans want to respond for him, go ahead. In general, while I can be quite certain his mathematics was bad, I am only an outsider to philosophy. Still, it seemed rather shoddy philosophy as philosophy to me. I guess I was disappointed since the topic of the book is so rarely discussed. WARNING: The letter may be somewhat incomprehensible without first reading the book, or at least without having a copy for page references in front of you, and as I don't recommend the book in the first place, you might want to skip this article entirely. It's quite long. ================================================================================ 19 Oct 1985 Dear Professor Kitcher, Having just read your book The Nature of Mathematical Knowledge, I feel obliged as a mathematician to point out several errors. I will also object to some un- perceived difficulties in your presentation. I will also suggest some other arguments in favor of ontological apriorism, ones I have not seen in print. But to make this letter worth your time, I will conclude with some examples that you could use to bolster you empirical epistemology, examples that I was surprised to not find in your book and had, while reading, psyched myself up to reinterpret. On page 41, you quote Hume favorably: but his first sentence is untrue. I've seen mathematical truth at the moment of mathematical discovery myself, but I'm sure you know the story of Hamilton's discovery of quaternions. Proof, quite often, is a mere epilogue to direct insight. Indeed, many mathematicians leave the proofs to their advisees in need of a thesis. The psychological relation- ship between truth, proof and certainty is quite touchy, and I will discuss it further below. On page 42, you claim Stokes' theorem is a good example of a theorem suffering from nebulous formal status. That cloud may be present in the engineering and physics texts, but a few mathematical texts present it in all its gory detail, including the cases with corners. It is true that most mathematical texts do not, for the trivial reason that the mathematical applications are to nice mani- folds. (See, for example, M Spivak's Calculus on Manifolds, p. 137, last para- graph, where the generalization to corners is left as a challenging project for the ambitious reader. Notice how he even leaves the proper definitions to the reader. This is a perfect introduction to doing research, suitable for his undergraduate audience.) On pages 43-6, you discuss long proofs and the Cartesian course in consciousness raising. The two examples you mention, Stokes' theorem and the unsolvability of quintics, are considered rather easy to keep simultaneously in mind. To call that feat staggering is an unintended compliment to our years of practice. If I were to venture what cognitive science might demonstrate some day, I propose that it could lead, when combined with bioengineering, to vastly improved mental capacities. But I don't venture, and propose that philosophers who grab assent to their theories from one line arguments based on what cognitive science might someday do be banished to the tenth circle of Hell, or at least join the staff of TIME magazine. (Of course, it is not made clear what you mean to keep a proof simultaneously in mind. But if you are not saying something true for trivial reasons, namely that it is impossible to keep two things in mind simultaneously by some definition or other, then your statement is just wrong. (The hullabaloo that computer proofs have generated, by the way, is mostly due to ignorance. Among those I've asked, for example, those with deep familiarity of computers and years of programming experience, have no qualms, while those without that experience are nervous of the proofs. But that is because they are nervous of the actual machines! I've actually seen a famous algebraist, who wanted to know if a certain arithmetical identity involving 100! was true, flee the multiprecision machine verification. (If you want explicit examples of what I consider astounding mental capacities, I mention great chess masters. Reuben Fine describes how he once saw 40 moves ahead, instantaneouly. He also once played four simultaneous blindfold BLITZ games against master/expert opponents. Bobby Fischer was once approached by someone who said, I'm sure you don't remember me, but you totally demolished me during a simultaneous exhibition some years back, while never taking more than a glance at my board. Fischer replied, yes I remember you, and then pro- ceeded to give a move-by-move analysis of the more interesting aspects of the game. Of course, I am a mere patzer, so maybe these are not astounding. (One of the greatest minds ever was John von Neumann's. He was once asked by someone to solve the problem of the distance travelled by the fly, flying at (say) 100 mph between two cars approaching either at 60 mph each, assuming a starting separation of the cars of 20 miles, and that the fly instantly switches back and forth when it reaches one of the cars. He replied instantly with the correct answer. The questioner was disappointed that von Neumann had found the clever method, namely it flies for the time it takes the cars to crash, but was then amazed to learn that von Neumann had summed the obvious infinite series.) On page 59, you refer to Benacerraf's point (b) that there is no causal relation between mathematical objects and other entities. How absurd! No Platonist, not even Plato, believes that. I would call the relationship direct mathematical perception, as important and as inherent to me as listening is to a musician. (I was surprised that what I thought was crudely obvious is considered most sophisticated on page 148.) On pages 65ff you discuss the question of whether groups contains a unit element in virtue of the concept or meaning of group. First, a howler you should avoid: "unit" is ambiguous, and you should use "invertible" or "identity". Second, all mathematicians would reply groups contain a (whatever) in virtue of the defini- tion of a group. (In particular, the sentence on page 66 'To say ... invites criticism' invites derision from mathematicians.) It is not clear to me whether you view mathematical definition as stipulation. Overall, the Quinish arguments wither when dealing with mathematics, because the language mathematicians use is highly refined, and does not suffer the defects that natural language suffers. In other words, Quine is not permitted to argue with Humpty Dumpty. On page 85, you say 'Conceptualism makes a priori knowledge come too cheap'. This may be true in chemistry and physics, but so what? If the thrust of your book is to show that mathematics is much like chemistry and physics, then to reject conceptualism in mathematics at this point is to beg the argument. And one sentence later you say 'The risk that what we know will prove useless would be greatly increased'. This is a daily risk in almost all mathematics, one that most of us take fearlessly. On page 87, you claim triumph over conceptualism because of the example of 'acid'. Whether this example works is irrelevant, since the question is whether conceptualism is valid within the philosophy of mathematics, not chemistry. Again, I must point out meaning within mathematics is highly arbitrary, and while specific words may change over time, that is just an artifact of human language, not the underlying mathematical concepts. Thus in France, fields need not be commutative, but compact spaces are always Hausdorff. In Russian a normed ring is what Westerners call a Banach algebra. To read anything into these vagaries is to not understand mathematics. There is nothing in mathem- atics that could cause confusion even remotely close to what duck-billed platypi caused eighteenth century taxonimists. (I don't understand your discussion of 'acid' at all, by the way. As far as I can tell, it looks like chemists settled on the more useful concept. It is true that if somebody introduces new terminology, somebody else might amend it because he wants a variant of the first use. But that fools no one. The under- lying concepts have not changed in the least. Are you mixing in here your later discussion of rational changes in science and mathematics?) On pages 99-100, you conclude your chapter with a paragraph that suggests the only choices for a history of mathematics is between haphazard random develop- ment and a well explained theory of knowledge. I wish these Hegelian portents would be left with less serious topics, say the philosophy of nematology. I see no reason why the overall history of mathematics must be rational in order to account for its development. Finding a proof by luck does not make a proof less valid than finding a proof by rational methods. I always thought mathem- atics developed because doing mathematics is a lot of fun to some people. I certainly have no rational reasons for doing the kind of mathematics I do. On page 103, while discussing intuition and sense perception you call the former mysterious while the latter well-understood. I find both of them equally weird if I think about them, and equally sensible when I don't think about them. Nor do I see how scientific knowledge about the latter and scientific ignorance on the former makes a difference: if anything, the physiological and physical know- ledge we have about vision makes the ability to see seem even more miraculous. On pages 104 and 134-5 you point out the serious difficulty a Platonist has in choosing which of several arbitrary identifications to make of various mathem- atical objects within set theory. You seem to have missed the entire point of Platonic mathematical ontology: the real line, for example, exists out there, and is nothing more nor less than the real line. For someone to say that 2 IS { r rational | r < 0 or r < 2 } is silly and absurd. But for him to say 2 can be identified with that Dedekind cut, however, is profound and serious. On page 125, near the top, your use of 'Unfortunately' is rather unfortunate: it suggests meanings I don't think you intended. On page 128-9, your diagrams that suggest your approach sure look like Platonism to me! On page 130, you ask why the stuck mathematician does not renew his acquaintance with his Platonic ideals and instead wonder why he so often engages in calcula- tion. This whole paragraph, and its discussion of mathematical notation, is very misguided. Many mathematicians, when stuck in a proof, put their pencil down and go to the park and ask the ducks their opinion. Others juggle three balls simultaneously. Some prepare their upcoming lecture. In short, anything to let their subconscious solve the problem. And sometimes they engage in sym- bolic manipulation: John Horton Conway is a famous example of a mathematician who computes and computes and computes forever. Your assertions are just too sweeping. Concerning notation and its analogies, I think you are misled by the efficacy of modern notation: it is designed so that proofs flow, so that brains can concentrate on the ideas behind the proof, so that the reader has no idea of the struggle to find the proof, etc. 'To solve a problem is to discover a truth about mathematical operations'? No. To solve a problem is usually to discover a proof. The truth had been discovered when the problem was posed, but no one knows it is a truth until the proof comes later. So says the apriorist. On pages 149ff, you discuss a Kuhnique view of mathematical change. I won't claim any points are wrong here or wrong there, but want to mention that Kuhn's views seem at times too weak an interpretation and at times too strong to me. I just don't see how this is supposed to favor your views. Are you trying to say that math and science went through similar tribulations, and so should be viewed as similar epistemologically? I would expect such a non-obvious claim to be defended, so I demur from objecting to what might not be the case. But I can't think why else the chapter exists. On page 156, you state we no longer care for systematic exploration of special functions. Most of us no longer care, but some of us do. David Mumford works with Jacobi theta functions. Jacobi modular functions, as presented in a old paper written in Latin(!), have played a central role in one of the most amaz- ing, deep, profound and bizarre developments of the last decade, the so-called "Monster Moonshine" question. Modular functions in general were in deep freeze until around 1960, but they have been growing rapidly again ever since. And the solution last year of the Bieberbach conjecture depending on some special function identities, both old and new. In general, what mathematicians study goes through periods of fashion. On page 157, you say that our concept of number has changed from the ancients. While true, you are a victim of the language objection you stated earlier that very paragraph. The ancient concept of number is virtually identical with the modern concept of natural number, the difference being one of precision and surrounding knowledge (and zero). On page 180, your sentences about Hamilton and quaternions are rather mis- leading, if literally correct. Nothing studied last century plays as large a role as it did then, for the trivial reason that mathematics has mushroomed exponentially, and very little from then plays a large role, although much plays a strong undercurrent. And I am bothered by the parenthetic comment that the quaternions play nothing like the role Hamilton envisioned: is it a derogatory remark on how futile Hamilton's actual creations were compared with the fruit- fulness of the algebraic freedom they crystallized into existence, or was it an insightful remark that quaternions are used in number theory, gauge fields, symplectic geometry, Lie group theory, polytopes, etc., most of which he never heard of? You give the impression that you find quaternions a failure because they did not get the name 'number'. If so, I should point out that that is just a random vagary of language. The eight dimensional octonions are often called Cayley numbers, and then there are p-adic numbers, supernatural numbers, etc. On page 188, you claim the classical questions about ratios of infinitesimals and logarithms of quaternions are now viewed as wrongheaded. Both questions make a lot of sense in modern mathematics, and can be dealt with effortlessly. On page 191, you claim the current successors of Newton and Bolzano agree that proofs generate knowledge and advance understanding. I am one of those current successors, but must disagree. Some proofs generate knowledge, some generate understanding, some do both, and some do neither. And I don't think my col- leagues would always agree with me as to which proofs do which. As to the question whether proofs can generate a priori knowledge, I feel that the phrase "generate a priori knowledge" is self-contradictory, but I see no reason that proofs cannot help us realize what was a priori all along. That, I believe, is the point of Meno's slave and the Pythogorean theorem. (I am presuming an ideal reader of Plato who does not endlessly quibble over irrelevancies.) On page 211-2, you claim Cantor's development of set theory was rational. He certainly conceived of the countable ordinals while trying, unsuccessfully, to solve certain questions concerning Fourier series. And he did come up with a new proof of the existence of transcendentals. But that is all regarding prior mathematics that Cantor's set theory had to say! Cantor stopped doing Fourier analysis because his set theory was a lot more interesting to him. It led, at the time, to no further insights into anything but set theory! To say it led to 'a clear way to state conditions on two sets' having the same size or on a set's being finite' is true but pointless, since that is, prima facie, a very weak and basically useless concept. Cantor's famous defense DOES refer to the fact that his subject was basically devoid of applications to prior mathematics. Why else would he defend the subject as he did? (Mathematicians have always worked wherever their whimsy takes them. Fermat, for example, was certainly not trying to understand any prior mathematics when he did number theory. Mathematicians throw their problems at each other rather randomly. The van der Waerden theorem seems a prime example of a problem solved for no other reason than that it was there. But now it has become a central part of modern Ramsey theory. And why did Steiner think of Steiner triple systems? Beats me.) On page 220, you say Cayley offered a characterization of the fundamental properties of groups, and remark that Cayley did not explicitly recognize the need for inverses. Today one would say Cayley defined a monoid. (I am not familiar with this work, but am venturing a guess that Cayley was going down the objects that were then called groups, and was trying to systemize what was confusing at the time.) Your sentence that Cayley was prompted to allow for non-commutativity by the examples of matrices and quaternions should be deleted. After all, most of the permutation groups studied were also non- commutative, and as you say, they were the well-known examples. On page 229ff, you present the history of calculus written with your empirical ontology and epistemology in mind, as other accounts of the history have an apriorist bias. Until your concluding remarks, I cannot see the difference. Moreover, a much more serious difficulty in drawing conclusions from your ac- count is the question of how to disentangle the physics from the mathematics. To proclaim that your account shows much empiricism in mathematics, when much of the account is physics to begin with, and then give no careful delineation of the boundary, invites criticism. On page 254, you claim that it takes considerable talent to spot Cauchy's error. Any mathematician of Cauchy's day who was alert when reading his text would spot the error in reasoning immediately: infinitely many infinitesimals need not add up to an infinitesimal. That was a well known fact about infinitesimals since Leibniz. On pages 258-9, you quote Weierstrass out of context. The algebraic truths he is referring to are I believe the algebraic properties of holomorphic functions, not the delta-epsilon methods. Things like the Weierstrass preparation theorem, for example, are part of Weierstrass' approach to the algebraic properties of elliptic functions, as opposed to Riemann's analytic approach. He is certainly not commenting on Riemann's rigor. (Riemann always went straight to the heart of a problem, leaving several generations stunned as they tried to catch up to his thoughts. His papers were extremely condensed, packed with rich mathematics on every line. The question of rigor just does not apply!) On page 269, you claim that we should subtract the irony. Why? On page 271, you claim that traditional philisophical accounts have presumed a priori knowledge of axioms and definitions. The traditional accounts you refer to presumably discuss Euclid, and you wish to show the limitations of such accounts when compared with analysis. So what? You succeed, but I can only draw a different conclusion from your case analysis. To wit, the mathem- aticians had direct insight into the true properties of the real line, and then labored mightily in arithmeticizing their notions. Platonism would explain why they could succeed with faulty reasoning for so long: it always matched their direct perception. On the flyleaf, which I realize is possibly beyond your control, you quote Morris Kline as recommending the book. Bad idea. And the summary of the book is extremely silly: every mathematician I have read it to cracked up in utter disbelief that someone would pronounce the purpose of a book is to announce so profoundly something we have known all along. It's somewhat like telling a Cambodian about Nixon's secret bombing of his country. Enough of particular errors. I will present various objections not considered in chapter 6 section V. You claim that Millian arithmetic naturally accounts for its applicability to the empirical methods that it idealizes, whereas Platonic arithmetic is left with a great mystery as to why it is applicable. You are quite accurate, but you can't claim triumph yet for your idea. Millian arithmetic makes it doubly mysterious that arithmetic has OTHER applications. First, the standard mystery inherent in Platonic accounts regarding the use of arithmetic in playing bridge, for example, is still inherent in your book, but then furthermore the mystery of how playing bridge is unnecessarily and rather bizarrely linked to the original application (Mesopotamian bricklaying or what?) is introduced. You imply that abstract intelligence could not develop mathematics. How could God, for example, create such a mathematically ordered universe without knowing the mathematics? Was it his precognition concerning the Mesopotamian bricks that his universe would one day contain? But how could he work out all the structure of Mesopotamian bricks without first working out the mathematics implied physics and chemistry of these bricks? There seems to be an irreducible loop here, rather troublesome to say the least, like the classical time travel paradoxes. Or does one conclude from your book that there is no God? You claim that your ideal subject, who doesn't exist, has incredible powers. Why are you allowed to idealize your subject, dealing with a concrete reality, but not the concrete reality? Your argument strikes me as being the same one as this one between two nine year olds concerning the existence of God: "The universe had to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is what we mean by God." "Alright then, where did God come from?" "Don't be silly, God comes from nowhere..." More precisely, your argument is more like the first assertion above, and my objection is like the succeeding question. And just pointing out that your ideal subject doesn't exist will not answer my objection, because I already believe that your ideal subject does not exist. You claim that mathematics is the human emulation of the ideal subject. Are you willing to generalize that to other abstract entities, whose ontological status is often as puzzling as cohomology? IS Beethoven's Ninth Symphony the symphony as performed by the ideal subject (that's pretty talented!). (Or perhaps to be realistic, you would allow it to BE the ideal performance by the ideal orchestra in the ideal auditorium, as listened to by the ideal subject with the ideal aud- ience, none of which exist, but somehow, rather non-mysteriously, now that it is all explained, the Ninth does exist?) If you are not willing, why not? Mathem- aticians often compare themselves to artists rather than to scientists. Why? But back to ontological status. What about Moby Dick, Hamlet, The London Times, a word, a single letter? I find letters and numbers about on par ontologically. (Rather amusingly, the Mona Lisa has fewer ontological problems.) And who does the ideal subject play chess with when he wants to play an ideal game of chess? In short, is your proposed mathematical ontology fecund or sterile? You claim that an empirical account of mathematical ontology is supportive of your empirical account of mathematical epistemology. I would think somewhat the opposite is true: the more you reify the ontology, the more you empiricize the epistemology. That's why the sciences are considered empirical. I also believe, somewhat less surely, that an empiricized ontology favors an a priori epistemology. For example, firewalking seems highly mysterious unless one does indeed firewalk, after which one knows, if not a priori, than at least highly viscerally, that mind over matter etc. is possible. It is the empirical nature of firewalking that requires one to participate in it in order to gain knowledge of it, and then the new knowledge of the firewalker is practically unrevisable. (This last example is very weak, but I feel something like it can be concocted.) Irregardless of my objection, you at least need explain how the one empiricism aids the other. You claim, perhaps implicitly, that mathematicians have good reasoning powers. You even suggest that some of them were correct in their reasoning. Is it unreasonable to suppose that mathematics grew out of these reasoning powers directly, perhaps sometimes letting physical objects aid their intuition, but certainly never letting physical objects restrain their intuition? In short, why do you grant logical reasoning without hesitation? And if you can grant it so freely, what happens to the formalist, who claims that all he has done is pure logical reasoning, that is, shown that certain assumptions lead to certain conclusions, while denying any knowledge or ontology concerning the assumptions? You claim that the mathematician solving the Schroedinger equation is emulating the ideal subject, several levels of collective operations beyond the empty set. Or maybe you claim he is emulating the ideal subject's manipulation of electrons in the hydrogen atom. (He is ideal, isn't she?) Or is it that you claim he is emulating the ideal subject's direct collapsing of wave packets in free space? And what do you claim is going on when a physicist solves the wave equation? I bail out here, because the point, I think, is clear. Mathematics is NOT tied down to physical reality, and to even pretend it is, for even an ontological or epistemological moment, can lead to some even stranger beliefs. What if quantum mechanics is overthrown? What if it were shown internally inconsistent? As Cantor said, the essence of mathematics is its freedom. And I experience that sentence quite literally. (There is a similar objection to F Capra's The Tao of Physics. If physics is revised, does the Buddha lose his enlightened status?) You do not discuss one extremely important ontological question. What is the status of non-existent objects? Proof by contradiction is as valid a proof as any, and while such can often be recast as positive proofs, indeed giving one more information, non-existent objects still play a key role in mathematics. Platonists generally assign them to some unspecified limbo, even vaguer than the usual mathematical realms, but your account leaves me no clue as to how you would consider them. An even more touchy objection is the fact that Zermelo-Frankel set theory is well-known to be incomplete. That is, the iterative concept of a set, and your reformulation of it, cannot touch the ontology of large cardinals. If your on- tology is complete, then there are no models of ZFC, by the G"odel incompleteness theorems. And even if you idealize your subject even further, so that he can see all of what he has done at once, so that he can ideally realize he left out something, this process can never work. Inaccessibles, Mahlos, weakly compacts, Ramseys, measurables, Mitchells, supercompacts, Martins, and Woodins are way up there, but ONLY BY ASSUMING they exist. Their mathematical status is that they can never be constructed or proved to exist or even to be consistent. Which of them are consistent is unknown and could forever be unknowable. In short, they are mathematical theology. Your ideal subject cannot in any sense manipulate measurable cardinals, unless he is a closet formalist or a closet realist! For example, in the preface to F Drake's Set Theory, the author emphasizes his uncompromising realist attitude. And this is just the sharp edge of a more fundamental objection. You assume happily that to understand the ontology and epistemology of mathematics, one just needs to understand the ontology and epistemology of set theory. That is completely absurd. Mathematics CAN be embedded within set theory, but we do that for our own technical reasons. K-theory, differential geometry, abelian group theory, etc. all could survive without ZFC. Set theory is a powerful precision tool that forces high standards of rigor and high purity of language on all of us. But the idea that K-theory, differential geometry, abelian group theory, etc. depend on set theory for their EXISTENCE and our KNOWLEDGE is just not true: the discovery that ZFC had been inconsistent all these years would only induce a major yawn in most mathematicians. ("See, we told you it wasn't very interesting.") And none would say, K-theory totters. (Actually, some fine mathematicians have fallen for the ZFC propaganda and have an unusual nervousness about proper classes as a result, spending an extra page in a book or fifteen minutes in the classroom making sure that Russell's ghost won't spook their proofs. But then, most mathematicians are nervous about any alien fields. (It took a while for logicians and set theorists too to realize their job was to do logic and set theory, and not to secure mathematics. Since then, we have created paradises far beyond Hilbert's wildest imagination. (There are other foundations of mathematics that have been proposed, some having nothing to do with sets. It's a game we play that emphasizes that the true deep foundations of mathematics are far more fundamental and firm than anything that has been proposed, indeed they seem almost mystically beyond our ken. (Once upon a time there was an ancient castle in the lost forest. In its deep- est, darkest, dreariest dungeon lived the spiders, who had been spinning their webs for ages unknown. And then, the great flood swept through the countryside. Some spiders, the lucky few, survived by burying themselves deep in the cracks. When the violent waters receded, they came out and saw in great horror the complete devestation wrecked upon their demesne. And with a furious energy, almost a panic, they immediately started spinning their webs again. For you see, they thought it was the webs that had been holding the castle up.) Enough of objections. I will proceed discuss some examples that I feel are extremely mysterious without some sort of realistic ontology. They concern the problems of deep coincidence, structural coherence, classifications, and in- dependent discovery. Deep coincidence: In the early 1970's, as part of the classification of finite simple groups, R Griess and B Fischer independently suggested evidence that there was a very large simple group out there, with about 10^54 elements. While looking around, such an object seemed to exist to them, since they could derive an incredible amount of information about the group. Indeed, character tables were quickly drawn up and studied for information. One thing noticed, rather early, was the following: the dimensions of the representations were 1,196883,21296876,.... Notice the pattern? Not at all, until one recalls that 744,196884,21493760,... are the coefficients of the elliptic modular function. Ignoring the 744, it turned out that all the coefficients come from adding the dimensions of the hypothetical group! And that was just the beginning. Hundreds of other deep coincidences were quickly discovered. The whole question became known as "Monster Moonshine". (Monster became the name of the group rather early on.) It was clear to all that the group existed, and even more importantly, that something deep and important was going on. Five years ago, R Griess found the Monster for real. And just last year Frenkel, Lepowsky and Meurman made the first step at explaining moonshine. (Remarkably enough, their methods were based on vertex operators, from recent mathematical physics.) It had never been a question of would someone, only of when. Structural coherence: In the early 1930's Banach and Ulam analyzed a certain infinite game of pure strategy. In the 1953 Gale and Stewart proved some minor little theorems about certain related infinite games. In the early 1960's, Mycielski and Steinhaus proposed the axiom of determinacy (AD) concerning winning strategies for these infinite games. It contradicted the axiom of choice (AC) but apparently gave a cleaner real line. (For example, AD implies that all sets are Lebesgue measur- able and rules out the Banach-Tarski paradox, both of which depend upon AC.) Their proposal was considered Loony Tunes. And then in the late 1960's, two events, one a surprising theorem, the other an odd AD-inspired reproof of an old theorem, turned this obscure and bizarre proposal into one of the central concerns of modern set theorists. A weaker form, called projective determinacy (PD), has been extensively investigated, and leads to the only known coherent and natural theory of the projective subsets of the real line. But PD, although it does not seem to violate AC, is a very strong axiom whose fate is intricately linked with the consistency of large cardinals. It is astonishing that an elementary question concerning the reals should be so related to the theological assumptions one makes regarding the entire universe of sets, and even more astonishing that that exact same question leads to the only natural solution to the original problems concerning projective sets as proposed back in the 1920's. AD, by the way, is still considered Loony Tunes. Classification: What does one make of a statement that the only semisimple complex Lie algebras are the classical ones and five others, the so-called exceptional Lie algebras? Why five others, and not four or seventeen? What does one make of the statement that the only finite simple groups are the cyclic ones, the alternating ones, the groups of Lie type and then 26 others, the so-called sporadic groups? Why 26 and not 1001? It seems a mystery, unless, of course, there happen to be 26 sporadic groups, just sitting out there, swimming in some mathematical sea from time to time. Independent discovery: Two novelists, asked to tell a story with the same plot and same characters, would come up with two very different stories. Two physicists, assured that a certain interesting phenomena was within their experimental grasp, would, in fact, find the same core results. The difference comes from the ontology of their subject matter. Mathematical discoveries always go one way, even when more than one person is involved, and centuries separate the efforts. The Radon transform was rediscovered seven different times this century. Connections on principal fiber bundles in mathematics and gauge field theories in physics were developed separately for decades until the surprising discovery in the early 1960's that they were one and the same thing. The mutual astonishment gave way to the modern relinking of deep mathematics and deep physics, which had parted ways around 1915. The list is endless. Enough of arguments. I want to remove misconceptions you seem to have about proof, axioms, and mathematics in general. Some mathematicians love proofs. Some mathematicians hate them. Some love them when they are short and clever, others love them best when they are long and difficult. One I know of likes them best when they explain why their probanda are true. I'd love to take twenty years off someday and learn the proof of the classification of finite simple groups. Some mathematicians like only the key insights that motivate the proof, others have to dot every i before they believe it. And the amount of detail needed depends on the background of the mathema- tician and the subject area of the proof. I've often had seminars, devoted to proving a major theorem in the professor's field, get tied up in little details concerning the small lemma that comes from an alien field. I've even seen some implicitly asking the one or two experts from the alien field as to whether he is overdoing it. The possible examples are endless. My own feeling about proofs can vary. I've seen some rather tricky proofs. The best way I have to understand such is to work out a particular example, and then convince myself that the example was used in a sufficiently generic way that I know that the same sort of reasoning would apply to the general case, which I then skip. This method is quite common. Euclid, for example, proves that there are infinitely many primes by assuming there are three and deriving a fourth. I have sometimes, as a challenge problem, created the tricky proof, given in the book by how it works in a particular case only, and expanded it out to its full case. In many cases, I was amazed at how my original delight at the insight was lost in the careful twists I had to work out, or replaced by different delights as slightly subtle difficulties had to be accounted for. But to say that the full proof compared with the sketch increased my understanding or my insight or my knowledge is only sometimes correct. (And by full proof, I do not mean the full formal proof, but a proof whose steps are considered elementary within the given field. We mathematicians do an incredible amount of Cartesian chunking without even being the slightest bit aware of it.) What is my point? My point is first any sweeping claims about proofs and what one thereby knows are extremely tenuous. My second is more serious: proofs are not what mathematicians are always interested in. It is part of our field, and is the prerequisite of theoremhood, but they can seem a nuisance, a source of insight, or just an aesthetic joy. There are theorems whose only point seems to be they have such incredible proofs. And there are serious theorems which have only dull proofs. If the job of the mathematician is not to generate proofs, then what does he do? He tries to understand. He tries to understand whatever it is he's working on at the moment. If he's a graduate student, he may be working on Galois theory or on Poincare duality until he gets it perfect. If he's retired from research, he may become the wise source of knowledge in his field, surveying, summarizing and even proseletizing for the benefit of the field. If he's somewhere in be- tween, he is probably working on some problems somewhere, thinking about them, trying to understand what makes something tick. And the best of us have deep insights, insights so deep and profound, about structures equally deep and pro- found, that it may take several generations of mathematicians for some of them to even realize that the insights are deep and profound, and only then does the hard work begin. But insight and its kid brother intuition are themselves nice and nebulous. But I must reject any need, even within epistemology, to give sharp definitions of these things: such a requirement seems impossible to meet generally, and is within the nature of the language, but by staying alert, we can be careful what we delineate by out terminology anyway. (This is why I find Quine's "Two Dogmas of Empiricism" bothersome. Its discussion is beautiful, its point is serious, but the actual objections are unfair!) So how does a mathematician know something is really true? He knows some state- ment is true for many reasons. Because a qualified expert proved it. Because he's checked a special case. Because it fits in with the needed structures. Because it just has to be true. I have to ask, was your book written to point this out? If so, I'm greatly disappointed. I would like to point out that the word belief is used in many different ways by mathematicians, and you do not distinguish these ways. For example: a) I believe 2+2=4. b) I believe the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra. c) I believe that e^-x^2 has no elementary antiderivative. d) I believe the Riemann hypothesis. e) I believe the Poincare conjecture in dimensions 5 and up. f) I believe the Poincare conjecture in dimension 4. g) I believe the Poincare conjecture in dimension 3. h) I believe the Mordell conjecture. i) I believe Projective Determinacy. j) I believe the Classification of Semisimple Lie Algebras. k) I believe the Classification of Finite Simple Groups. l) I believe the Four Color Map Theorem. m) I believe the two Enflo counterexamples. n) I believe the last theorems of Harish-Chandra. Ad a: I've known this since I can remember. I've also seen a formal proof. Ad b: I've known this since I can remember. I've also seen several full proofs, and could generate several of them at the drop of a hat. Ad c: I know of two proofs, neither of which I have read more than the highest level rough sketch. The first one is classical, a kind of generalized Galois theory. The second gives an explicit algorithm for integrating, which has been implemented on the computer I use here, and which I ran, getting, as expected, the reply that the integration could not be done with the elementary transcendental functions. Ad d: This is a deep open problem. Various generalized forms of it are deep theorems. A lot of people who have thought about it long and hard think it is true. Ad e: This was proven in the 1960's. It has become a standard second year topic, one I've never learned, but all my topologist friends have. I have seen tiny pieces of it, and it seems to make good sense. Ad f: This was proven in 1982. It made a lot of people very excited, with seminars in quantity about it. A lot of people have gone over the proof, and they find it valid. Indeed, in 1983 the superficially un- related Donaldson's Theorem in gauge field theory from physics (!), when combined with Freedman's proof, led to one of the most astonishing discoveries of the century: the existence of fake R^4s. (The discovery of quasars and pulsars had some of flavor of this astonishment.) The number of people who have jumped on the bandwagon because of this is even larger. Someday I will learn all this. At the moment, I just know the roughest sketch of the Donaldson's theorem. Even that much amazes me. Ad g: This is a deep open problem. I believe it because Bill Thurston will prove it one of these days. Until he came along, there was no hope. (His work, by the way, has been on a much more difficult problem, which gives the Poincare conjecture trivially. He has been at it for about fifteen years. His approach was known to be impossible in dimension 4, so the sudden announcement of f above was part of its surprise. When Thurston announces his proof, it will have been expected all along.) (Thurston, by the way, has a big edge over most of us, because, not only is he smart as hell, he can see directly, in his mind's eye, the higher dimensional objects that he needs to manipulate.) Ad h: This used to be a deep open problem, with the general feeling that it was true but could easily go centuries without proof or even intuition. But Faltings surprised the mathematical community in 1983 with a proof, not only of the conjecture, but a number of other important theorems along the way. He was immediately offered tenure anywhere he wanted. Ad i: This is treading very thin theological ice, which I discussed above. But I will mention that Martin, Steel and Woodin's work over the past two years have firmed up the theology to an almost respectable degree. The final step, by the way, is only in rumor stage. Ad j: I've taken a course which culminated in this. Some steps in the early part of the general theory were too boring for me. I'll learn those steps when I teach a course on the subject. But the actual classifica- tion was pretty exciting. This theorem was proved around the turn of the century by Cartan, but the original insights of Killing, which saw directly the final result, were twenty years older. Ad k: When 50 mathematicians work for 20 years on the same problem, when their entire field becomes just one problem, I just have to believe they know what they are talking about. (The result was announced late in 1980, although the last steps weren't completed until 1981.) The proof, scattered in dozens of journals, rough manuscipts, computer calcula- tions, etc. is about 5000-10000 pages long. They are not sure, since there is an incredible amount of redundancy. Hopefully, the revision- ists will get it down to a reasonable 3000 pages, with a clear outline to the proof, and some computer programs in the appendix. At least, that is Gorenstein's announced goal. (The actual proof, apparently, has a rather natural organization. Rather astonishingly, the proof yields very little information about finite simple groups in general, until the very last line of the very last lemma, and then vast hordes of information come tumbling out.) (The problem, by the way, has the feel of much of 19th century mathematics.) Ad l: I've read a discussion of their proof and its methods, and even went through a hand verification of some of the easy cases. It seemed mech- anical enough, so I think the proof is quite airtight. Even better, a second proof exists, requiring only 1000 cases instead of the original 2000. (But what many people do not realize, is that not only was the proof computer verified, the actual breakdown into 2000 cases was found by extensive computer calculation, so that the proof was partly computer generated.) Ad m: These are both very difficult, the latter about 80 pages. The first one many people claim is a fine piece of mathematics, and so I believe it must be correct. As for the second one, it has been unpublished for ten years, because no referee has been able to read it through to the end! I want to volunteer, but my friends won't let me. But I think Enflo knows what he's done, although no doubt he's forgotten most of it by now. As a much simpler counterexample was produced in the first case, I think people are waiting for a simpler one in the second case. Ad n: Harish-Chandra's theorems are in an area I know nothing about, not even the most elementary examples. His style was always the same throughout his long life: he would announce a theorem that he had discovered, and then within a year or two work out the actual proof. He never once re- tracted an announcement. As he was fully active until his sudden death the other year, his latest announcements' proofs are lost forever. There are many fine nuances of belief present in the above, and by not giving even a coarse spectrum your discussion of epistemology seems confusing at times. I feel fully warranted in believing theorems of which I have never seen proofs. Why? Because it is in the nature of mathematics. Because I have seen, over and over again, how proofs work, and I know my colleagues have. The more interest- ing a theorem is, the more people look over it. There are numerous erroneous proofs published in journals every year. I don't believe one of them, for the simple reason that I have not even looked at the titles of most papers, and so do not even know the statement of the erroneous results. I would like to point out a common feature of some of the more difficult proofs. They require broad knowledge of the area they are from, sometimes pulling in everything from the field, and then more. They usually require a good deal of mental stamina. A few other cases of extra difficulty: the counterexample to one of the Burnside conjectures used a simultaneous induction on a hundred propositions. The proof of the Smith conjecture required hard work from three disparate fields. The fundamental objects in Jensenlehre are called morasses, for reasons painfully clear to those who study them. (And the published versions are the trivial case!) Studying them is hard enough just as an object of pure thought, but when all of Jensen's handwritten notes (he almost never publishes) are riddled with gaps, errors and traps, it takes much faith before one reaches the promised land. (But correct versions are now seeing the light.) So what can one make of mathematical epistemology? While it may seem that I am in fact pushing towards your claim that it is, after all, rather empirical, I favor a different view. Since any individual is fallible, and so I agree with you, any discussion gets bogged down in questions of psychology, I find the question as you discuss it impossible to reply to, since psychology is far too inaccurate for me to draw any conclusions. I favor thus a return to apsycholo- gistic epistemology, by discussing, instead of the knowledge of an individual mathematician, the knowledge of the mathematical community. That knowledge seems grounded far more securely than any other large body of human knowledge. But I leave this question to you and your colleagues, since thinking this much gives me nightmares. Indeed, it seems much of the discussion you presented turned on what I find is irrelevant: human fallibility in the actual proofs. As I mentioned above, the relation between truth, proofs and certainty is quite involved. But even deeper is a trend that has just barely begun, but which I think within fifty to a hun- dred years will be a commonplace: the computer verification of proofs. Not just specialized examples like the Four Color Map Theorem or the complicated algebra of a MACSYMA system, but the computer verification of ALL proofs. While the AI community is busy trying to generate theorems, mathematicians are increasingly having their papers computer typeset. It seems entirely reasonable that the AI methods can be steered to the simpler task of checking already given proofs, and these proofs will be in computer readable format more and more frequently. Who knows? Enough of epistemology. I now want to discuss examples that I felt were missing from your book. I do not feel they favor your argument, but maybe they do. (The examples all concern 20th century mathematics, which I notice is virtually non-existent in your book. Perhaps this is partly why my reaction is so strong, since you say your book is about mathematics, yet it hardly seems so to me, as most of mathematics is missing. (Indeed, the flavor of much of today's work seems to have nothing in common with classical mathematics. The things we study are so much more sophisticated than mere numbers, layers and layers of structure beyond what was done before. A common feature in much of modern mathematics is that the various transformations between standard objects are taken as new fundamental objects of study, and that this process is iterated to a dizzying degree.) The axiom of choice (AC) was adopted with much dispute. Today it is almost impossible to understand our predecessors' concerns about it. We take it for granted that it is true, indeed obviously true, and use it when needed. The fact that it was crucial for so many serious theorems was an important factor in its general acceptance. Yet if one looks around hard enough, one can find lingering suspicion, even among the new generation. Leibniz' infinitesimals have been vindicated. Non-standard analysis is the name given to the modern approach to their usage, and it has played a key role in the proof of several modern theorems. Yet the field is looked upon with great sus- picion, and most mathematicians, while granting that such proofs are technically correct, always translate them into one the standard molds. There are many ways of dealing with divergent series and getting numbers out of them. Leibniz' trivial averaging is just the first of many schemes for dealing with series, which is now a small cottage industry. In physics such methods are extremely important (renormalization). But mathematicians as a whole avoid all but the simplest of these methods. Indeed our field tends to look down on scorn at the physicists, on the grounds that what they do does not follow any mathematical sense. And they don't seem to want to help us, proud of their secret ability to add and subtract and divide lots of infinite quantities so as to make their theories fit nature. We both know this is actually a regrettable state of affairs, but few can jump the canyon separating our fields. Enough of this letter. I'd like to suggest various items worth reading. Some history of Stokes' theorem, and worthwhile comments on mathematics: M Spivak, Calculus on Manifolds preface,pages 104,137 The Mathematicians' Liberation Movement: J H Conway, On Numbers and Games appendix to Part Zero The difference between mathematics and physics: R Sachs, H Wu, General Relativity for Mathematicians preface,guidelines,sections 0.1,0.2,2.1,small print above 3.3.5,6.1,6.2 On adopting new axioms for set theory: Y Moschovakis, Descriptive Set Theory preface,section 8J You might like to find out what a mathematician means by 'arithmetic': J P Serre, A Course in Arithmetic Some books with lots of discussion by mathematicians: D J Albers, G L Alexanderson, Mathematical People P J Davis, R Hersh, The Mathematical Experience Serge Lang, The Beauty of Doing Mathematics Yours truly- ucbvax!brahms!weemba Matthew P Wiener/UCB Math Dept/Berkeley CA 94720