[net.micro.apple] 68000 coprocessor card for Apple ][

bill (05/04/83)

We  recently visited the makers of the Saybrook coprocessor card for the
Apple ][.  It has an 8 or 12.5 MHz 68000 with 128KB of  ram  (expandable
to 512KB if you are rich and buy the new 256K ram chips; if you are poor
you  can  wait for the price to come down.  The on-board address decoder
will handle either type of memory chip).  The card fits into a  standard
Apple  slot  with  a  little room to spare (i.e., it has a "nose job" in
front).  The card has DMA to the Apple memory, which greatly  speeds  up
processor-to-processor  communication.    A  separate  power  supply  is
provided.

The operating system is the Softech P-system  with  Pascal  and  Fortran
(communicates  with  Apple  Pascal  and  runs  68K Pascal).  It supports
64-bit floating point, unlike Apple Pascal.  Being  interpreted,  it  is
not  as fast as the 68K is capable of, but it still goes like a banshee.
They are now getting the last bugs out of the Apple to Saybrook software
interface (the person we talked to was estimating 2 weeks, but  we  know
how these things have a way of extending themselves...)  Even so, it was
impressive.    The  8 MHz board should run about as fast as the Sage (my
memory may fail me, it was my impression that their processor was 6 MHz,
but that may have changed).  At 12.5 MHz there should be  a  substantial
speed advantage.

They  plan  to have a UN*X subset available later this year, which would
make it even more interesting.  The C will be compiled into native code,
not interpreted using  P-code  like  Pascal.    A  hard  disk  would  be
desirable for this option.  The person we talked to said that UN*X would
probably  be  an inexpensive (~$100?) option, but that this could depend
on how much interest there was in it.

Price for the 8 MHz board  is  $1550  (includes  power  supply  and  the
P-system  software).   The 8 MHz board is upgradable to 12.5 for several
$100's.

The manufacturer is



        Analytical Engines, Inc.
        3415 Greystone, Suite 305
        Austin TX 78731
        (512)346-8430



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                University of Texas

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tjt (05/07/83)

Anticipating flames in response to my previous followup ...

The coprocessor board has its own memory which apparently is not
accessible over the Apple II bus (the article said the 68000 could
access the Apple II memory -- not vice versa).  This should make it
substantially easier to build sufficiently fast memory for a 12.5MHz
processor.  In particular, you can attach the memory more or less
directly to the 68000 without bothering with bus drivers, arbiters,
and the like.  You can even punt a memory controller and refresh the
RAM from software (a la SUN).

In summary, I COULD be wrong about the 12.5MHz processor not being
substantially faster than their 8MHz processor, but I would still be
surprised.

		Tom Teixeira
		Massachusetts Computer Corporation (MASSCOMP)
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