bees@drutx.UUCP (DavisRB) (05/23/84)
18-Apr-84 13:15:16-CST,1152;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 18 Apr 84 13:15:07-CST Return-Path: <Rutenberg.pa@Xerox.ARPA> Received: from Xerox.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 15:14:46-PST Received: from Semillon.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 17 APR 84 15:15:15 PST Date: Tue, 17 Apr 84 15:14:48 PST >From: Rutenberg.pa@Xerox.ARPA Subject: Re: A small Mac editor In-Reply-To: "Bruce.Lucas@CMU-CS-IUS.ARPA's message of Tue, 17 Apr 84 12:45:27 EST" To: Bruce.Lucas@CMU-CS-IUS.ARPA cc: Info-Mac@Sumex-Aim.ARPA ReSent-date: Wed 18 Apr 84 10:02:58-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; I think the idea of a very small & fast editor is great! Using the routines which are already in Rom for editing and disk access, you could build something which takes up *very* little space (it could fit on each of your disks & would load quickly). I doubt it would take much assembler glue to put those routines together into an editor. No fonts & possibly undo -- not something to write a paper on, just enough for a small quick change. Mike 16-Apr-84 17:01:27-CST,933;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 16 Apr 84 17:01:25-CST Return-Path: <REICH@NYU-ACF1.ARPA> Received: from NYU-ACF1.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Mon 16 Apr 84 13:47:25-PST Date: 16 Apr 84 16:51 EST >From: Richard Reich <REICH@NYU-ACF1.ARPA> To: INFO-MAC@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Subject: ModifyFInfo program (new version, 1.1) Message-ID: <1075CA176.00300033.1984@ACF1.NYU-ACF1.ARPA> ReSent-date: Mon 16 Apr 84 14:11:11-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; This version allows setting (or not) both file type and creator. FYI, to make a file into a MacWrite document, use type=TEXT and creator=MACA. I'm sorry that mailers, systems, etc., will certainly chop the long lines of this program into shorter statement fragments. -r ------------- [Ed. Updated source on {SUMEX-AIM}<INFO-MAC>ModifyFInfo.bas] 17-Apr-84 10:26:11-CST,1404;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 10:26:05-CST Return-Path: <@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA:Spitzer.Multics@HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS.ARPA> Received: from CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 06:28:05-PST Received: from HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS.ARPA by CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA dial; 17-Apr-1984 09:24:49-est Date: Mon, 16 Apr 84 18:57 MST >From: MMMcNally@HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS.ARPA Subject: 256K Chips To: Spitzer.Multics@HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS.ARPA Message-ID: <840417015721.362305@HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS.ARPA> Resent-Date: 17 Apr 84 07:09 MST Resent-From: Charlie Spitzer <Spitzer@HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS.ARPA> Resent-To: info-mac@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Resent-Message-ID: <840417140923.455698@HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS.ARPA> ReSent-date: Tue 17 Apr 84 08:08:13-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; Yes , 256K chips are currently available. At present they run around 65 dollars a shot though. Considering that you will require 18 chips, it will cost aproximately $1,170.00 to upgrade your Mac to 512K. These prices are for the mitsubishi 256k chip, pruchased through CYTK. I would be happy to order any chips that you may desire, but I would be much happier if someone could fine a cheaper sorce. ==Matt 17-Apr-84 10:56:07-CST,2040;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 10:55:46-CST Return-Path: <nivek@cmu-ri-rover.arpa> Received: from CMU-RI-ROVER.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 06:52:34-PST Date: 17 Apr 1984 09:53:15-EST >From: Kevin.Dowling at CMU-RI-ROVER Subject: MacBasic & Pascal ReSent-date: Tue 17 Apr 84 08:09:02-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; Having used MacBasic and MacPascal for several days now I've noticed a couple of things. For one doing graphics is exceptionally easy. I haven't seen or used MS-Basic for the Mac but I haven't found the plethora of bugs that previous posts have mentioned being in MS-Basic in MacBasic. One problem with MacBasic (this version anyway) is that they use a scaled 12 point font and it resembles on the screen a degenerate San Francisco Font. The Only 10 Point font I've seen is Seattle 10. I've tried playing with FontMover but haven't had any success in making the scaling problem going away. MacPascal uses three windows (Program, Text, Drawing) where Program (obviously) is your current program you're working on. Kind of like MacWrite style editing. Auto indent and auto-bolds reserved words. (This is real nice to work in) Some simple drawing routine are provided for drawing lines, ovals, rectangles, etc... You can invert as you draw, thus getting a kind of X-oring feature for overlapped objects. A very nice tracing feature is provided and a little indicator shows you where in the program you currently are. Most commands allow you to use the Command key instead of Mouse hunting all the time. The Text window is your Writeln outputs and your drawing window is graphic output. Psacal seems to have a stack problem with more than 200 procedure or subroutine calls makes it bomb out. Hope this gets fixed... nivek ARPA: nivek@cmu-ri-rover BELL: (412) 578-8830 USMAIL : Robotics Institute c/o CMU Schenley Park 17-Apr-84 11:13:42-CST,1788;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 11:13:38-CST Return-Path: <Mendelson.es@Xerox.ARPA> Received: from Xerox.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 08:42:30-PST Received: from CheninBlanc.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 17 APR 84 08:40:38 PST Date: Tue, 17 Apr 84 08:39 PST >From: Mendelson.es@Xerox.ARPA Subject: Re: randomness... In-reply-to: "MBF@CMU-CS-C.ARPA's message of Wed, 11 Apr 84 04:26:20 EST" To: MBF@CMU-CS-C.ARPA cc: info-mac@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA ReSent-date: Tue 17 Apr 84 08:46:38-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; Whoever wrote the referenced messsage is absolutely correct. The original design of an Alto-like successor machine with a purportedly two to one performance ratio over the Alto ran its macro-code at 190 KIPs when no I/O was running, and the display was blank!! In its original design it took 9% of the microcycles just to run a blank display. The original design sampled the mouse during the display retrace time so the machine had to do a task switch into the display task to sample the mouse even when the display wasn't running. I believe that design goof was fixed, but it shows how much an Alto-like implementation degrades macro-code performance to handle all of the peripherals through the micro-code. The microcode is involved with every memory transfer for every device so any significant I/O bandwidth drastically reduces macro-code performance. It was characteristics such as this that were, in part, the point of my previous message about the inadequacy of an Alto implementation as a marketable product. Notice that I no longer use the phrase "productize" in this context. Jerry 17-Apr-84 11:45:45-CST,966;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 11:45:41-CST Return-Path: <CMP.WERNER@UTEXAS-20.ARPA> Received: from UTEXAS-20.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 08:39:09-PST Date: Tue 17 Apr 84 10:40:16-CST >From: Werner Uhrig <CMP.WERNER@UTEXAS-20.ARPA> Subject: Jim Seymour's "Micro Business" discusses Macs To: info-mac@UTEXAS-20.ARPA ReSent-date: Tue 17 Apr 84 08:47:02-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; For an interesting view-point on the present and future value of a MacIntosh, read Jim Seymour's syndicated editorial "Micro Business", which appeared in the Austin local paper on Monday, April 16, 1984. Very refreshing, after having been assaulted by recent postings by some people here. Myself, I'll keep a clipping and make it required reading for anyone asking me about my opinion of the Mac. ------- 17-Apr-84 13:12:29-CST,1561;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 13:12:24-CST Return-Path: <bdl@cmu-cs-ius.arpa> Received: from CMU-CS-IUS.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 09:41:17-PST Date: 17 Apr 1984 12:45:27-EST >From: Bruce.Lucas at CMU-CS-IUS Subject: requests ReSent-date: Tue 17 Apr 84 10:36:57-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac-dist@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Dear Apple, Can we conclude that Macterminal will do the "right thing" wrt to file transfers, namely that MacWrite documents, MacPaint documents, etc. can be transferred to the remote system and retrieved, and still appear as the appropriate document type? This (1) will allow remote file archival, (2) will allow file interchange between Macintoshes, and (3) will allow us to get our grubby hands on all the bitsies the Macintosh applications have access to, so e.g. we could write a laser printer driver for our local system. Seems like two transfer modes would be useful: straight text, and data. On another note, it seems ashame that there isn't a simple text file editor on the Macintosh. True, there is the notepad, but there can only be one of them. How about named notepads, or someone suggested it would be nice if you could "tear a page off" of the notepad and put it in a file, which you could put into a folder and could later inspect by reading back into the notepad. How about something like this in future versions of the system? Bruce Lucas 17-Apr-84 13:39:36-CST,853;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 13:39:33-CST Return-Path: <homeier@AEROSPACE> Received: from aerospace.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 10:15:46-PST Date: Tue, 17 Apr 84 09:43:27 PST >From: Peter Homeier <homeier@AEROSPACE> To: nivek@cmu-ri-rover CC: info-mac@sumex-aim Subject: MacPascal benchmark request ReSent-date: Tue 17 Apr 84 10:37:30-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; If you have MacPascal running, could you try the Sieve of Eratosthenes benchmark from BYTE? A lot of people are impressed with MacPascal's reported features, and would like to know how fast it is, how long programs can be, etc. How much of a serious tool is it? 18-Apr-84 12:23:55-CST,794;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 18 Apr 84 12:23:52-CST Return-Path: <tdn@cmu-cs-spice.arpa> Received: from CMU-CS-SPICE.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 14:05:46-PST Date: Tuesday, 17 April 1984 16:43:39 EST >From: Thomas.Newton@cmu-cs-spice.arpa To: info-mac@sumex-aim.arpa Subject: MacTEP v1.81 Message-ID: <1984.4.17.21.36.15.Thomas.Newton@cmu-cs-spice.arpa> ReSent-date: Wed 18 Apr 84 10:02:37-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; Here is the latest version of the MacTEP terminal program. It seems to work much better than the previous version. -------------------- [Ed. New version on {SUMEX-AIM}<INFO-MAC>MACTEP.BAS] 18-Apr-84 12:42:07-CST,962;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 18 Apr 84 12:42:03-CST Return-Path: <mike@rice.ARPA> Received: from rice.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 14:46:28-PST Received: by rice.ARPA (AA06774); Tue, 17 Apr 84 16:46:22 CST Date: Tue, 17 Apr 84 16:41:04 CST >From: Mike Caplinger <mike@rice.ARPA> Subject: modems and the DA-9 To: info-mac@sumex-aim.ARPA Message-Id: <mike.548@Dione.rice> ReSent-date: Wed 18 Apr 84 10:02:48-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; I'm a little confused about the comment in MacTEP about the connections 3->7, 5->2, 8->1, 9->3. What happened to DTR? Is it safe to connect the 12V pin to the DTR pin on the modem, as Edward Tecot suggests? I am not the world's greatest RS-232 expert, obviously; does DTR want a 12 volt signal? I have a Rixon 212 modem, if that makes any difference. 18-Apr-84 13:15:16-CST,1152;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 18 Apr 84 13:15:07-CST Return-Path: <Rutenberg.pa@Xerox.ARPA> Received: from Xerox.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 15:14:46-PST Received: from Semillon.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 17 APR 84 15:15:15 PST Date: Tue, 17 Apr 84 15:14:48 PST >From: Rutenberg.pa@Xerox.ARPA Subject: Re: A small Mac editor In-Reply-To: "Bruce.Lucas@CMU-CS-IUS.ARPA's message of Tue, 17 Apr 84 12:45:27 EST" To: Bruce.Lucas@CMU-CS-IUS.ARPA cc: Info-Mac@Sumex-Aim.ARPA ReSent-date: Wed 18 Apr 84 10:02:58-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; I think the idea of a very small & fast editor is great! Using the routines which are already in Rom for editing and disk access, you could build something which takes up *very* little space (it could fit on each of your disks & would load quickly). I doubt it would take much assembler glue to put those routines together into an editor. No fonts & possibly undo -- not something to write a paper on, just enough for a small quick change. Mike 18-Apr-84 13:43:30-CST,951;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 18 Apr 84 13:43:24-CST Return-Path: <JW-PETERSON@UTAH-20.ARPA> Received: from UTAH-20.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 18:47:49-PST Date: Tue 17 Apr 84 19:48:11-MST >From: John W. Peterson <JW-Peterson@UTAH-20.ARPA> Subject: Simple text editor for the mac To: info-mac@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA ReSent-date: Wed 18 Apr 84 10:03:33-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; There is a simple text editor called "File" distributed with the Lisa toolkit. This program is a multi-window version of MacWrite without all the word processor fluff. I've used it quite extensivly to edit files locally on the Mac and later upload them to a host with MacTerm. One of its strong points is the availability of the well-commented source, which makes adding features relativly easy. ------- 18-Apr-84 14:12:35-CST,2972;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 18 Apr 84 14:12:16-CST Return-Path: <CMP.WERNER@UTEXAS-20.ARPA> Received: from UTEXAS-20.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Tue 17 Apr 84 20:24:42-PST Date: Tue 17 Apr 84 22:25:53-CST >From: Werner Uhrig <CMP.WERNER@UTEXAS-20.ARPA> Subject: Re: Jim Seymour's "Micro Business" discusses Macs To: info-mac@UTEXAS-20.ARPA ReSent-date: Wed 18 Apr 84 10:10:35-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; I got piles of friendly and 'not so friendly' mail, asking for more info on the contents of the editorial. I understand that Jim Seymore is a nationally syndicated writer, and a quick check with your library might show that they carry a paper who subscribes. In reply to those sending 'friendly' notes: I was torn between posting a simple quick pointer to the column, or nothing at all, as I did not have the time to summarize, not to think of typing the complete column. Maybe I should have waited until I had more time, or not bothered, but I thought you folks know that a simple call to the local library opens up a realm of information. As those of you who know me from other groups may attest, I, often, spend significant time typing, to pass on as much info as possible, but yesterday there was no free time. However, I'll try to get a list of the major papers that carry the column, either from the paper, the library, or whereever. Maybe some of you who have seen his column in major papers could help me and post a note. To the 'unfriendlies', I'd like to say "Eat it, and, hopefully, Choke". I am not 'stupid enough to think that you are all in Austin', or 'reading the Austin paper', my pointer to "syndicated editorial" should have made clear that that was not expected of you. I made reference to the printing date in the local paper as a helpful hint, as other papers should be printing it around the same time. I introduced the column as an "interesting viewpoint" and am not 'preaching the new gospel', I don't preach at all but provide information to help others make up their own opinion. And rather than give my opinion to the uninitiated questioner, I have him read what others have said, rather than talk my lips bloody. why do some people always seem to foam at the mouth ? Cheers, (trying hard to) Werner ------- [Ed. Note - In remailing Werner's original message to INFO-MAC, I assumed readers would understand that with Jim Seymour being a syndicated columnist, this source of information would be available to everyone if they chose to pursue it, and not just the readers in Austin. The mention of the Austin paper was taken as a courtesy to those on the list at Utexas. I, along with Werner, thought readers would understand that and not bitch. Enough said. In the future, please think a bit before clogging the net with flames.] 18-Apr-84 14:48:30-CST,1187;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 18 Apr 84 14:48:23-CST Return-Path: <donegan@rice.ARPA> Received: from rice.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Wed 18 Apr 84 08:09:06-PST Received: by rice.ARPA (AA12361); Wed, 18 Apr 84 08:41:45 CST Date: Wed, 18 Apr 84 08:41:45 CST >From: Mike Donegan <donegan@rice.ARPA> Message-Id: <8404181441.AA12361@rice.ARPA> To: PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA, info-mac@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA Subject: when repairing disks ReSent-date: Wed 18 Apr 84 10:10:47-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; Folder information is kept track of in a hidden file -- Desktop File (?) which the finder maintains. What I find irritating is that since folders are not real, i.e. known by the O.S., an application cannot create a file in a folder. So even though I keep BASIC programs in a folder, whenever I save one it finds its way back to the desktop. I assume that the Finder upon discovering a bad disk decides that the desktop file is bogus and throws it away. Thus you get a pristine desk with all your files lying around in the disk window. mkd 18-Apr-84 15:20:09-CST,2730;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 18 Apr 84 15:19:56-CST Return-Path: <CMP.WERNER@UTEXAS-20.ARPA> Received: from UTEXAS-20.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Wed 18 Apr 84 08:09:44-PST Date: Wed 18 Apr 84 05:32:58-CST >From: Werner Uhrig <CMP.WERNER@UTEXAS-20.ARPA> Subject: Summary of Seymour's Column [addressing the business community, mainly] To: info-mac@UTEXAS-20.ARPA ReSent-date: Wed 18 Apr 84 10:11:45-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; [ I apologize to Jim, should he be "watching" for any errors I made in condensing his fine article, and any copy-rights I may be breaking. I encourage all readers to make an effort to read the article by purchasing one of the papers that carry the column, regularly. My posting this should not be construed that my personal opinion is identical to Jim's, but rather, that I consider this an excellent introduction to the topic. Werner ] The MAC is a Great Machine, but Beware the Software Gap =========================================================== (Jim Seymour's syndicated column: MICRO BUSINESS, mid-April ) I feel like I've spent two months answering one question from readers, clients, friends, strangers: "Should I buy a Mac?" Take your choice: Yes, absolutely; maybe, not yet. .. depends on what you want to do with it, and when. The Mac is a brilliantly designed, very compact, very powerful computer. It's absolutely the easiest-to-use computer in existence, in many ways it can run rings around [ most other micros ]. It's footprint is no bigger than a piece of stationary. And it's cheap, at $3600 including a good dot-matrix printer, word processing, graphics, and spread-sheet software, it's a bargain. But, there's not much software yet, so it may not fulfill your needs for awhile, otherwise you should run, not walk, and plunk down a deposit at the nearest computer-store, because the Mac is not only the third industry standard, behind Apple II and IBM's PC, it's also going to be a very important machine for the rest of the decade. And the software-gap won't last long, as Softcon in New Orleans showed lots of half-finished products under development. [ a list followed; BPI accounting, Think Tank, pfs: file and report, Lotus 1-2-3, among others ] But if you want a business machine to use tomorrow morning, the PC [ and clones ] has a big lead, and will always have more software available, the MAC will never catch up. .... To hell with making people computer-literate. I want computers that are people-literate. The Mac's a fine start. ------- 18-Apr-84 15:54:42-CST,954;000000000000 Return-Path: <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> Received: from SUMEX-AIM.ARPA by UTEXAS-20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 18 Apr 84 15:54:35-CST Return-Path: <PALLAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA> Received: from SU-SCORE.ARPA by SUMEX-AIM.ARPA with TCP; Wed 18 Apr 84 10:59:11-PST Date: Wed 18 Apr 84 10:49:58-PST >From: Joseph I. Pallas <PALLAS@SU-SCORE.ARPA> Subject: Re: Simple text editor for the mac To: info-mac@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message from "John W. Peterson <JW-Peterson@UTAH-20.ARPA>" of Wed 18 Apr 84 10:39:05-PST ReSent-date: Wed 18 Apr 84 13:32:08-PST ReSent-From: Ed Pattermann <PATTERMANN@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA> ReSent-To: info-mac: ; Great, but can people without the Lisa tookit get that editor? Apple: Like it or not, people ARE going to want to develop software for the Mac on the Mac, since not everyone can afford a Mac and a Lisa. Unless you want Mac to be "the computer for the rest of them," you ought to keep that in mind. joe ------- -------