[net.micro.apple] Gibson light pen and Saturn 128k ram card

gregg@nlm-vax.ARPA (09/20/84)

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Does anyone have any experience with using an Apple II+ or IIe
and the Saturn 128k ram card, and the Gibson light pen. My
problem is loading the ram expand (ramexpa) program, from the BASIC
diskette provided with the Saturn card, and the Gibson light pen 
software (Pentrak 1.1 or 2.0), and using these two utilities together.
It appears that the ampersand hook in Pentrak interferes with the 
ramexpa capabilities in the Apple's memory (or visa-versa). How can
I tell DOS 3.3 to load ramexpa and/or Pentrak 1.1 or 2.0 in a different 
place in memory so that the two will not interfere with each other.
I am using Applesoft BASIC and I would like to stay with this 
language for my particular application.

I have tried to load the two programs at different times (ramexpa 
first then Pentrak and visa versa) but nothing has worked for me 
yet.   All suggestions welcome!