etm@wuibc.UUCP (11/27/84)
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I'm thinking of purchasing a Fat Mac w/2 drives to use as a software
development system, and I'd like to get some feedback on the feasibility
of such use. In particular:
1. Is the Mac Assembler/Debugger a viable software development tool
for machine language programming? Has Apple produced a reasonably
bug-free version, able to handle large source files, with linking
capability, and so forth?
2. Are there any worthwhile implementations of C available for the Mac?
(E.g. how do they shape up as regards portability, size limitations
on source code, Kernighan&Ritchie adherence, etc.)
I've heard of a Unix C, from Holt/Stanford, which requires a Vax
to utilize; has anyone had any experience with it? Are any C
compilers compatible with the Mac Assembler?
I realize some of these questions may be naive, and some may have
already been answered on the net; please bear with me.
I'd appreciate any information, rumors, pointers in the right direction;
please respond by mail to
...!ihnp4!wucs!wuibc!etm
Thanks in advance,
Ed Mackewagle@iuvax.UUCP (11/28/84)
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bunnell@smu.UUCP (11/29/84)
/* ---------- "request for information" ---------- */ [] >>I'm thinking of purchasing a Fat Mac w/2 drives to use as a software >>development system, and I'd like to get some feedback on the feasibility >>of such use. In particular: >> >>1. Is the Mac Assembler/Debugger a viable software development tool >> for machine language programming? Has Apple produced a reasonably >> bug-free version, able to handle large source files, with linking >> capability, and so forth? >> >>2. Are there any worthwhile implementations of C available for the Mac? >> (E.g. how do they shape up as regards portability, size limitations >> on source code, Kernighan&Ritchie adherence, etc.) >> I've heard of a Unix C, from Holt/Stanford, which requires a Vax >> to utilize; has anyone had any experience with it? Are any C >> compilers compatible with the Mac Assembler? >> At Comdex I saw all the C compilers for the Mac and talked to a reviewer doing a review. These are the benchmarks that he had for the sieve program that was in BYTE last year. execution speed file size compilation/link etc. Megamax 6.2 (4.17 reg vars) 5k 105 Softworks 7.0 25k 300+ Consulair 10.0 12k 125 Hippo 60+ ? N/A He had not recieved the Manx compiler yet, but I talked to them and they do not have the capability yet to create a Macintosh type executable file (you must use their shell). The Megamax and the Softworks are the other two K&R compatible versions. The Consulair does not yet have floating point. The Megamax C compiler has in-line assembler and the compiler produces object code directly. Thus, there is no need for the 68000 developement system. The people at Megamax said that Apples object file format is still under discussion and they will convert to it when it is decided upon. The Megamax C compiler allows dynamic overlays and so I doubt that there is any problem with compiling very big programs. Also it is the only compiler out yet that has a librarian and the ability of the linker to link in just the routines that are called (this explains the small code size). I don't know their address but Megamax's phone number is (214) 987-4931 /* End of text from smu:net.micro.apple *
rick@sara70.UUCP (rick) (12/03/84)
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blumenthl@fdcv09.DEC (12/19/84)
One of my colleagues told me about an APPLE program called APPLE FONT (sp?). It is supposed to be used for downloading different type fonts to a printer. Does anybody out there in the apple orchard have any information about this? Send replies to FDCV09::BLUMENTHL or (617) 493-9140