craparotta@ny1mm.DEC (03/27/85)
Hi, i just say a few things about APPLE support and PIRACY: APPLE SUPPORT-- this has really been nonexistent for about 1 1/2 yrs now.Apple has been so wound up on the Mac that they have COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN THE PEOPLE who got them where they are today. I blame ALL of this on John Scully and Steve [mr. ego] Jobs. When they got RID of the WOZ, it was the icing on the cake. He was and IS there only link to the Apple// line. He had som many GREAT ideas for the // line that THEY never let come to fruit. You say that the // line is over and obsolete??? Well so is the 11/70 and 11/780 for that fact, but people still buy and want them!! With a base of over 2 million people and alot that canbe done with the // line, mr. scully and mr. ego have all but forgoten us. Well since the Mac is doing poorly and Apple has based its whole life on it, maybe ifthey go bust it would be the best thing. Especially for the // line. This is a very negative opinion, but having talked to WOZ (got his home # and he has not expressed the above views to me personally) this is what I and many others have seen. PIRACY--This is such a hot topic I jsut couldn't resist. Mr. McCormack has blamed Pirates for the failure of his business. From what I can see it was HIM and nobody else. I read his letter a few times and still feel the same way. He said the cheapest anyone evergot it with special discounts and all was around $240. This in account with the 25-40% discounts!!! That's expensive!! He also stated that if people don't like a companies Licenseing,Policies etc., then don't buy the software. Well I guess they did just that!!! To say a company went out of business because of piracy is just a bullshit cover up for there own mistakes!! Beagle Bros,Pfs,Infocom are good examples. There are alot of pirated copies of there stuff and they're doing just great! Stop crying Joel and all you others. I WILL agree that without copies the companies would be more profitable. Don't though, blame there demise on them. They had a shit product and people didn't buy it. Plain and simple!! I think Joel and Dave hough should get together. One blames his demise on pirates and the says all people who have Apple//'s are hackers. You guy deserve each other!!!!!!! The above OPINIONS ARE MINE PERSONALLY AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WHATSOEVER WITH MY EMPLOYER...NONE,NADA,NIEN.!! CHOW PEOPLE... JOE CRAPAROTTA
tdn@cmu-cs-spice.ARPA (Thomas Newton) (03/29/85)
Don't equate "hackers" with "pirates". From "The Hacker's Dictionary," by
Guy Steele, Donald Woods, Raphael Finkel, Mark Crispin, Richard Stallman,
and Geoffrey Goodfellow:
HACKER @i(noun)
1. A person who enjoys learning the details of computer
systems and how to stretch their capabilitites -- as
opposed to most users of computers, who prefer to learn
only the minimum amount necessary.
2. One who programs enthusiastically, or who enjoys
programming rather than just theorizing about programming.
3. A person capable of appreciating HACK VALUE.
4. A person who is good at programming quickly. (By the way,
not everything a hacker produces is a hack.)
5. An expert on a particular program, or one who frequently
does work using it or on it. Example: "A SAIL hacker."
(This definition and the preceding ones are correlated,
and people who fit them congregate.)
6. An expert of any kind. One might be an astronomy hacker,
for example.
7. A malicious or inquisitive meddler who tries to discover
information by poking around. For example, a "password
hacker" is one who tries, possibly by deceptive or illegal
means, to discover other people's computer passwords. A
"network hacker" is one who tries to learn about the computer
network (possibly because he wants to improve it or possibly
because he wants to interfere -- one can tell the difference
only by context and tone of voice.
Note that only one of the seven definitions fits people like the '414s'.
The other definitions more closely fit the meaning of the word "hacker"
as it is used in the Carnegie-Mellon, Stanford, and MIT computer science
departments. It's a shame that the media have equated "hackers" with
"crackers" and pirates. Please don't help to perpetuate this misuse!
-- Thomas Newton
Thomas.Newton@cmu-cs-spice.ARPAliang@cvl.UUCP (Eli Liang) (03/29/85)
> Hi, > . > . > . > PIRACY--This is such a hot topic I jsut couldn't resist. Mr. McCormack has > blamed Pirates for the failure of his business. From what I can see it was HIM > and nobody else. I read his letter a few times and still feel the same way. He > said the cheapest anyone evergot it with special discounts and all was around > $240. This in account with the 25-40% discounts!!! That's expensive!! He also > stated that if people don't like a companies Licenseing,Policies etc., then > don't buy the software. Well I guess they did just that!!! To say a company > went out of business because of piracy is just a bullshit cover up for there > own mistakes!! Beagle Bros,Pfs,Infocom are good examples. There are alot of > pirated copies of there stuff and they're doing just great! Stop crying Joel > and all you others. I WILL agree that without copies the companies would be > more profitable. Don't though, blame there demise on them. They had a shit > product and people didn't buy it. Plain and simple!! I think Joel and Dave > hough should get together. One blames his demise on pirates and the says all > people who have Apple//'s are hackers. You guy deserve each other!!!!!!! > > > The above OPINIONS ARE MINE PERSONALLY AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WHATSOEVER > WITH MY EMPLOYER...NONE,NADA,NIEN.!! > > > CHOW PEOPLE... > > > JOE CRAPAROTTA I guess you know DOCTOR VAX.... after all, you two are from the same usenet site: ny1mm, DEC Engineering Network. -eli p.s. and gee, you even sound like him............... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eli Liang --- University of Maryland Computer Vision Lab, (301) 454-4526 ARPA: liang@cvl, liang@lemuria, eli@mit-mc, eli@mit-prep CSNET: liang@cvl UUCP: {seismo,allegra,brl-bmd}!umcp-cs!cvl!liang
wildman@brl-tgr.ARPA (Sam Chamberlain ) (03/29/85)
There is a famous "Murphy's Law" that, although it may appear simple and
trite, has saved me from embarrasment several times:
"Never Argue With A Fool. People Might Not Know The Difference."
I try to remember this when I encounters folks like "Dr. Vax" and feel
compelled to respond.cjl@ecsvax.UUCP (Charles Lord) (04/02/85)
A hacker is someone who patches binaries so that his program
works better. If it was someone else's program, he is a GOOD hacker;
If it was "protected" software, he was a EXCELLENT hacker.
If he gives the (purchased) program away, he is a PIRATE.
PLEASE- NO MORE BAD PRESS
Charles Lord
(a hacker from way back)
cjl@ecsvax
"All users should be SHOT!"