aer@alice.UucP (y) (09/27/85)
I have available the T-NET 2.0 (version 2.0h) Electronic Bulletin Board Softwarefor the Apple //. T-NET 2.0 is an extremely powerful and flexible system, which has been used on many great bulletin boards across the nation, including a really great one which I had to take down because the owner of the hardware had better things to do. System requirements are an Apple //e, possibly a //c, or an Apple ][+ with 64K and a lowercase chip; a Novation Applecat modem, or a Hayes modem, and at least two disk drives of online storage, or at least 280K of the equivalent. A really *great* system requires more than two disk drives, or, better yet, a hard disk drive, and a 1200 baud modem. With 1200 baud, the software will autoseek between 0-300/1200 baud rates. TNET 2.0 is written under ProDOS 1.1.1 (included), and thus uses subdirectories of your own designation- great for hard disks. The software supports up to 30 message bases, and is easily expandable under Applesoft. Direct author support and a manual are included. The software also supports 'Go' modules, program downloads, and 'TP' textfile downloads. Tedious routines are in machine code, control software in Applesoft. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- telephone: 1-201-464-5269, after 3pm EST, ask for Dan uucp: ihnp4!alice (subject TO DAN) /\ BTL, Murray Hill -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) (10/02/85)
Hardware and software "for sale" postings are totally inappropriate. This is NOT a BBS; it is a newsgroup that is gatewayed into the Internet, where commercial solicitation is prohibited. Please restrain postings to information exchange.
goldman@umn-cs.UUCP (Matthew D. Goldman ) (10/07/85)
In article <1845@brl-tgr.ARPA> gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) writes: >Hardware and software "for sale" postings are totally >inappropriate. This is NOT a BBS; it is a newsgroup >that is gatewayed into the Internet, where commercial >solicitation is prohibited. Please restrain postings >to information exchange. Doug, kindly go soak your cpu in a lake. I'm a reader who is intrested in for sale postings, as I'm trying to put together an AppleII blackbox system (Bell & Howell). I read this newsgroup for all information related to Apple's. I vote the for sale's stay. For many people this is a BBS. -- ------- Matthew Goldman Computer Science Department University of Minnesota ...ihnp4!umn-cs!goldman ...stolaf!umn-cs!goldman Home is where you take your hat off... Banzai! Kyllara : What did you just do? Moederan : I don't know but it's going to be fun...
flaps@utcs.uucp (Alan J Rosenthal) (10/13/85)
In article <819@umn-cs.UUCP> goldman@umn-cs.UUCP (Matthew D. Goldman ) writes: >In article <1845@brl-tgr.ARPA> gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) writes: >>Hardware and software "for sale" postings are totally >>inappropriate. This is NOT a BBS; it is a newsgroup >>that is gatewayed into the Internet, where commercial >>solicitation is prohibited. Please restrain postings >>to information exchange. > >Doug, kindly go soak your cpu in a lake. I'm a reader who is intrested >in for sale postings... I think the idea is that "for sale" postings should not be posted to overseas, is it not? (This inference is from the fact that there is a na.forsale group.) So if you are going to offer software for sale, just restrict the distribution to na. Or even less, if appropriate.
gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) (10/16/85)
> In article <819@umn-cs.UUCP> goldman@umn-cs.UUCP (Matthew D. Goldman ) writes: > >In article <1845@brl-tgr.ARPA> gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) writes: > >>Hardware and software "for sale" postings are totally > >>inappropriate. This is NOT a BBS; it is a newsgroup > >>that is gatewayed into the Internet, where commercial > >>solicitation is prohibited. Please restrain postings > >>to information exchange. > > > >Doug, kindly go soak your cpu in a lake. I'm a reader who is intrested > >in for sale postings... > > I think the idea is that "for sale" postings should not be posted to overseas, > is it not? (This inference is from the fact that there is a na.forsale group.) > So if you are going to offer software for sale, just restrict the distribution > to na. Or even less, if appropriate. No, the idea is that it is forbidden to use the Internet, which is not a "common carrier", for direct commercial gain. The taxpayers are footing the bill for it. Abuse can cause the loss of access to the Internet. Also, there are commercial "for sale" channels, many of which specialize in listing hobbyist computer systems, often for free. Why make hundreds of UUCP sites pay telephone bills to help you make a buck, when there are more appropriate ways to sell things?
ralphw@ius2.cs.cmu.edu.ARPA (Ralph Hyre) (10/17/85)
In article <912@utcs.uucp> flaps@utcs.UUCP (Alan J Rosenthal) writes: >In article <819@umn-cs.UUCP> goldman@umn-cs.UUCP (Matthew D. Goldman ) writes: >>In article <1845@brl-tgr.ARPA> gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) writes: >>>Hardware and software "for sale" postings are totally >>>inappropriate. This is NOT a BBS; it is a newsgroup >>>that is gatewayed into the Internet, where commercial >>>solicitation is prohibited... >> >>Doug, kindly go soak your cpu in a lake. I'm a reader who is intrested ... > >I think the idea is that "for sale" postings should not be posted to overseas ... Actually net.micro.apple is no longer gated to info-apple, I for one wish it was. Then we'd get some really good flames about 'for sale' postings, and maybe even some administrative action. -- - Ralph Internet: ralphw@c.cs.cmu.edu (cmu-cs-c.arpa) Usenet: ralphw@mit-eddie.uucp Fidonet: Ralph Hyre at Fido #385 Pitt-Bull (or maybe Net 129, node 0) Snail Mail: don't bother -- - Ralph Internet: ralphw@c.cs.cmu.edu (cmu-cs-c.arpa) Usenet: ralphw@mit-eddie.uucp Fidonet: Ralph Hyre at Fido #385 Pitt-Bull (or maybe Net 129, node 0) Snail Mail: don't bother
flaps@utcs.uucp (Alan J Rosenthal) (10/19/85)
In article <2178@brl-tgr.ARPA> gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) writes: >> I think the idea is that "for sale" postings should not be posted to overseas, >> is it not? (This inference is from the fact that there is a na.forsale group.) >> So if you are going to offer software for sale, just restrict the distribution >> to na. Or even less, if appropriate. > >No, the idea is that it is forbidden to use the Internet, which is >not a "common carrier", for direct commercial gain. The taxpayers >are footing the bill for it. Abuse can cause the loss of access >to the Internet. What precisely out of this large usenet network is the "Internet"? And why are there no objections to the forsale newsgroup then, which is used exclusively for direct commercial gain? I am being serious not sarcastic, I have nothing to sell personally so it is an academic question for me. Signed, Confused.
gwyn@brl-tgr.ARPA (Doug Gwyn <gwyn>) (10/22/85)
The DOD Internet is the largest real network. Its only relation to Usenet lies in the gatewaying of traffic between the two. Someone pointed out that net.micro.apple is no longer gatewayed to the INFO-APPLE Internet mailing list; I don't know why it was dropped (maybe because of such commercial postings). There is still the moral and practical point that netnews postings are relayed by telephone among zillions of sites, which must pay the phone bills. Several of the large backbone sites have dropped netnews or are starting to impose restrictions on it, due to the system load and communication expense. Under these circumstances, it is inappropriate to clutter technical newsgroups with commercial advertisements. Usenet has no equivalent of the Internet traffic monitors, so is reliant on the cooperation and common sense of its users. Some of us are skeptical about its long-term viability..