god3@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP (Peter Godwin) (10/06/86)
The most concrete information I have come across about the upgrade follows: o retail price: $499 o Apple hasn't said whether or not the upgrade includes a mouse. o The IIgs has NO slot compatible with the //e auxiliary slot. Therefore, Ramworks, MultiRam, and other memory expansion cards which plug into the aux. slot on a //e will not work in an upgraded //e --> IIgs. , only slot based cards will work (Apple's for instance). o Your current communication soft/hardware setup may not work properly without modification. This goes for modems hooked up via serial ports. o The Apple //c WILL NOT BE upgradable with this method. o Various multifunction cards which work on //e's may not work properly on a IIgs (call the company and ask if concerned). o The RGB monitor you may already have for your //e may not work on the IIgs since the IIgs creates an analog signal while a digital signal has been used on II's and //e's. I myself am steadily planning to purchase the upgrade kit when it becomes available through my school. (I'm selling many peripherals which, with the advent of the IIgs will become extrenuous. The cost of the upgrade, however, is misleading. The full power of the IIgs will not be realized until a mouse (if not included), 3 1/2" disk drive, and RGB monitor are purchased for the system.. and clearly that represents a more substantial investment. -- Peter Godwin uucp: ...ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!god3 Univ. of Chicago Comp Ctr mailnet: x9.xpg@UChicago.Mailnet Room 2419, 5824 S. Kimbark Ave bitnet: god3%sphinx@UChicago.Bitnet Chicago, IL 60637 ARPA: x9.xpg%UChicago.Mailnet@MIT-Multics.ARPA
kamath@reed.UUCP (10/07/86)
In article <686@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> god3@sphinx.UUCP (Peter Godwin) writes: >The most concrete information I have come across about the upgrade >follows: > >o Apple hasn't said whether or not the upgrade includes a mouse. No. >o Your current communication soft/hardware setup may not work properly > without modification. This goes for modems hooked up via serial ports. This is NOT because the serial ports are incompatable. They are still RS-232C. THe problem is in the software that directly addresses the ACIA port. The GS uses the Zilg? Chip, and that is not quite the same, hence, when AE Pro or somesuch tries to send stuff directly to the port, it screws up. For drivers that use the supplied firmware on the SSC the GS will work just fine. >o The Apple //c WILL NOT BE upgradable with this method. The //c HAS been upgraded, however. It has a new motherboard that allows a 256K-1Meg add on board. Upgrades for old //c's are available. The mouse firmware has been moved from "slot" 4 to "slot" 7. (Shoulda polled for the mouse.) The false "AppleTalk not connect" has been removed (It never worked). Slot 4 is now the extra RAM, compatable with the RAMcard that apple has. >o Various multifunction cards which work on //e's may not work properly > on a IIgs (call the company and ask if concerned). This is because they "Phantom" slot. Phantom slotting can still be done on the GS, but you have to use the 'IOselect line. >I myself am steadily planning to purchase the upgrade kit when it becomes >available through my school. (I'm selling many peripherals which, with >the advent of the IIgs will become extrenuous. I, too, plan to buy a //GS. But I'll be hanged if I'll trade in my //e for it. >The cost of the upgrade, however, is misleading. The full power of the >IIgs will not be realized until a mouse (if not included), 3 1/2" >disk drive, and RGB monitor are purchased for the system.. and clearly >that represents a more substantial investment. Also, I don't know whether the MouseCar will work in it, but I think it will. The upgrade does not include one. I plane to get a 3.5 drive for my //e and use only 3.5 disks for the //GS. >Peter Godwin uucp: ...ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!god3 ________________________________________________________________________________ Sean Kamath UUCP: {masscomp, decvax, allegra, psu-cs, ucbcad, ucbvax, purdue, hplabs, hp-pcd, sequent, uw-beaver, ihnp4, cbosgd, gatech, nsc-pdc}!tektronix!reed!kamath CSNET: reed!kamath@Tektronix.CSNET BITNET: reed!kamath@Berkeley.BITNET ARPA: tektronix!reed!kamath@Berkeley reed!kamath@hplabs DECNET: RHEA::DECWRL::"decvax!tektronix!reed!kamath" US Snail: Box 395 Reed College, Portland, OR 97202 (503) 239-7458 Long live screwed up bit imaged graphics!!!
ee161abt@sdcc18.ucsd.EDU (Grobbins) (10/09/86)
In article <4217@reed.UUCP> kamath@reed.UUCP (Sean Kamath) writes: >In article <686@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> god3@sphinx.UUCP (Peter Godwin) writes: >>o Various multifunction cards which work on //e's may not work properly >> on a IIgs (call the company and ask if concerned). >This is because they "Phantom" slot. Phantom slotting can still be done >on the GS, but you have to use the 'IOselect line. Doesn't phantom slotting demand decoding of the address bus rather than depending on the IO-select line? And doesn't that preclude the use of phantom slotting (short of running a jumper to read another slot's I/O select signal)? I'd think the problem is all due to the fact that the machine now uses a 24-bit address bus, but not all of the address lines are available to the slots. Study the Slotmaker chip, and let me know... Grobbins.