SECRIST%OAK.SAINET.MFENET@LLL-MFE.ARPA (10/14/86)
From: <SECRIST%OAK.SAINET.MFENET@LLL-MFE.Arpa> (Richard C. Secrist)
Date: Tue, 14-OCT-1986 07:41 EST
To: INFO-APPLE@BRL.ARPA
Message-ID: <[OAK.SAINET.MFENET].62E582C0.008F66A1.SECRIST>
Header-Disclaimer: I don't like my headers either !
X-VMS-Mail-To: APPLE
I bought a //e as an upgrade for my ][ many moons ago because I wanted
1) the real keyboard (i.e. "{}[]~`<DEL>", etc.), 2) pseudo-standard
80 column support, 3) future compatability , and 4) a new lease on life
(my ][ {upgraded to ][+} is now 9 years old !).
I WANT neato graphics and from what I hear absolutely wonderful sound,
but my brain also wouldn't mind hacking a "real" processor chip that I
might be able to use professionally as well (like a 68000 or 80286 --
there's compartively not a lot of 65xxx work out there).
If the //gs or an upgrade were under $1000 (like $750 or better) there
wouldn't be a contest... I've got 700 floppies of Apple software. But
$1900 is ridiculous when I can go get a 68000 machine like an Atari 1024
or 520 (I can get the 520 for $750 locally with monochrome monitor) and
KEEP my //e and ][+. The graphics are roughly equivalent to an Atari
(though probably not as fast) and the sound is probably not as spectacular,
although at least it is a standardized interface (the MIDI port).
$1900 simply doesn't cut it, and the upgrade motherboard swaps don't sound
so hot either when you've got to buy a Unidisk, mouse (already have this
though), and whatever else...
Throughly disappointed,
Richard
SECRIST%OAK.SAInet.MFEnet@LLL-MFE.Arparanger@ecsvax.UUCP (Rick N. Fincher) (10/16/86)
> From: <SECRIST%OAK.SAINET.MFENET@LLL-MFE.Arpa> (Richard C. Secrist) > Date: Tue, 14-OCT-1986 07:41 EST > To: INFO-APPLE@BRL.ARPA > Message-ID: <[OAK.SAINET.MFENET].62E582C0.008F66A1.SECRIST> > Header-Disclaimer: I don't like my headers either ! > X-VMS-Mail-To: APPLE > > I bought a //e as an upgrade for my ][ many moons ago because I wanted > 1) the real keyboard (i.e. "{}[]~`<DEL>", etc.), 2) pseudo-standard > 80 column support, 3) future compatability , and 4) a new lease on life > (my ][ {upgraded to ][+} is now 9 years old !). > > I WANT neato graphics and from what I hear absolutely wonderful sound, > but my brain also wouldn't mind hacking a "real" processor chip that I > might be able to use professionally as well (like a 68000 or 80286 -- > there's compartively not a lot of 65xxx work out there). > > If the //gs or an upgrade were under $1000 (like $750 or better) there > wouldn't be a contest... I've got 700 floppies of Apple software. But > $1900 is ridiculous when I can go get a 68000 machine like an Atari 1024 > or 520 (I can get the 520 for $750 locally with monochrome monitor) and > KEEP my //e and ][+. The graphics are roughly equivalent to an Atari > (though probably not as fast) and the sound is probably not as spectacular, > although at least it is a standardized interface (the MIDI port). > > $1900 simply doesn't cut it, and the upgrade motherboard swaps don't sound > so hot either when you've got to buy a Unidisk, mouse (already have this > though), and whatever else... > You don't HAVE to buy a unidisk, and you should be able to keep your //e motherboard and put it in a cheap case and have all 3 systems. You also need to ask how much those 700 disks are worth (can they be ported over to another system?). I agree the price is way too high, but Apple always releases new products high to give dealers room to discount. Within a year you'll see the machine discounted to near current //e prices. Since there are only 49 chips on the board the thing has to be cheaper to make than the //e. This still doesn't help as far as hacking 68000 or 80286 code though. A rumor in EE Times said Apple was working on a MACac emulator board to go in the //gs...That would be nice. Rick > > Richard > SECRIST%OAK.SAInet.MFEnet@LLL-MFE.Arpa
langbein@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU (John E. Langbein) (10/17/86)
$1900 for an Upgrade? a new GS costs only about $1800 retail, and complete systems wholesale (color) are even less! An upgrade should sell for $600. After all the X-tras one must get, it runs close to $1000 at most I would think. $1900, Hmmmmm. John Langbein (langbein@topaz)
OAF.G.PELLER%OZ.AI.MIT.EDU@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU (Adam Peller) (10/18/86)
Message-ID: <12247671799.61.OAF.G.PELLER@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU> From what I have heard: the upgrade will be available January '87. The prices I've heard have varied from $499 to $599. This includes installation of a new mother- board and back panel with 2 serial ports, disk drive port, scsi hard drive port, mouse, etc. According to apple's rules, this must be installed by an "authorized dealer" You will need a mouse -- Mouse system A+ mouse from $50-$80 If you want color, you will need the //gs RGB monitor -- LIST $499, but of course, you can use a monochrome monitor if you wish. You'll probably want a 3.5 drive -- Apple's list $399, but there are generics for $100 less.. this should come to about $900 for a basic upgrade w/o RGB color, $1400 w/RGB. If you consider that the $500 upgrade gives you a few hundred dollars worth of ports and a time card, it doesnt sound all that unreasonable. Adam Peller -- AdamP%Oz@Mc.Lcs.Mit.Edu (arpa) -------
eric@osiris.UUCP (Eric Bergan) (10/18/86)
In article <6294@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU>, langbein@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU (John E. Langbein) writes: > $1900 for an Upgrade? a new GS costs only about $1800 retail, and > complete systems wholesale (color) are even less! An upgrade should > sell for $600. After all the X-tras one must get, it runs close to > $1000 at most I would think. Call A.P.P.L.E. quotes the price of the upgrade as $499. This does not include a mouse. Also does not include any disk drives, monitors, etc. -- eric ...!seismo!umcp-cs!aplcen!osiris!eric