tina (02/24/83)
I personally do think abortions are murder. I think that people make too much of an issue trying to figure out things that are to me as simple as night and day. I mean after all - isn't the Mother a human being? If so, then her unborn child is a human being- Even though it still needs it Mother's help to grow to full term he/she already has their own features, etc. at a very early stage in development. Isn't a human being something that resembles a "man"? If so, then that says that an unborn fetus is also...it has along the way - the features of a little human being..they just are formed quite as well as the born human. I mean afterall if an unborn baby can cry, hiccup, kick, etc. in the Mother's belly - then I vote that it is a child/human-being. People are just too hung up on trying to make excuses to try and make something right - that they know is wrong. If it were right - then why is there so much contraversy over it. I believe when there is something that controversial - it must be wrong. I believe strongly in God and know that no matter how much people try and make these excuses here and now and even get away with what they may not think is murder...their hands will never be cleansed in the Lord's eyes. Because after all one of the ten commandments is 'THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT MURDER'. If a mother considers it apart of her body - then she is committing a form of suicide and that also is not part of God's plan for human beings lives and is wrong.
alb (02/25/83)
Your article is highly biased towards your point of view. You even state that you can't understand why anyone would think otherwise. Well, that's what freedom is all about, the ability to think how you want to. I personally do not hold most of your views to be personally true; the reason I don't accept them is because I don't think exactly like you but rather like myself. Why should everyone think like you? What makes you right?
donath (02/25/83)
Not everyone believes in God
jss (02/25/83)
"I believe when there is something that controversial - it must be wrong." Hey, a controversy means that there are (at least) two sides to an issue. Do you mean they BOTH must be wrong? No, you mean what you don't believe must be wrong. judith
tina (02/25/83)
The main thing that I was trying to say and goofed...was that I believe that the Bible should be the source for all to find out what is right/wrong for their life. I just happen to believe very strong in what God has to say about human-beings in the Bible. I know that all people don't think they believe in God and claim agnostic or aethist...but I don't think there are true aethist. I'll be condemned for standing on what the Bible teaches the rest of my life, probably - but that's okay. I have one question to all - if you all thought I was carried away with what 'I' thought - we all tend to stand strong on what we believe- whether others agree or not..don't we?
tim (02/25/83)
Now I'm upset. phs!tina wants us all to be forced to follow the Bible. How can people say things like that in this country? She also has the incredible gall to say that she doesn't believe that anybody REALLY believes differently from her. This is just a way of saying that her mind is so narrow that she can conceive of no other viewpoint. I find it difficult to believe that anyone could hold such clearly pinheaded views and fail to perceive them as such. What world were these people raised in? Sorry, flaming again, Tim Maroney
guy (02/25/83)
"I know that all people don't *think* they believe in God and claim agnostic or atheist..." (italics mine) - many people *know* they don't believe in God; these people *are* true atheists. You seem to be claiming that because you don't believe in atheists they don't exist; atheists could make the same statement about God. (Any further discussion on this should move to net.religion, please; normally I wouldn't reply, given that this discussion *does* belong in net.religion at this point, but a flat claim that there is not such thing as an atheist and that all atheists and agnostics only *think* they don't believe in God is sufficiently outrageous that I couldn't let it go by unmolested.) Guy Harris RLG Corporation ...!decvax!mcnc!rlgvax!guy
soreff (02/25/83)
"If it were right - then why is there so much controversy over it. I beleive that when there is something that controversial - it must be wrong." That pair of sentences (from phs!tina) is probably the most encompassing blanket statement that I have ever seen. Was the article a parody? (sorry about the spelling error in the quote, it is a pain to get netnews to talk to an editor properly on this machine.) -Jeffrey Soreff (hplabs!hplabsb!soreff)
roderick (02/27/83)
Re: The Bible as the Source of All Judgement (from ...!tina) The main thing that some *atheists* are trying to say is that they don't believe that other people believe in God -- they just say and/or think they do. (Self-deception is very powerful and very tricky.) So please don't tell me what I *really* believe -- you've never even met me, let alone got a grasp of my innermost feelings about dubious deities. What I really believe is that the Bible provides an easy no-think out for many people who are unwilling or unable to face up to and think out problems for themselves. It's very convenient to be able to say, "Here is Truth"; just make sure you realize that it is only *your* version of Truth. Rod Glover U of Toronto ...!utzoo!utcsrgv!roderick P.S. ...!tina: Please sign your articles. (Know thine enemy...)
mmt (02/27/83)
...decvax!duke!phs!tina might find her point of view better accepted if she were to write it in English.
burris (02/28/83)
#R:phs:-119400:ihlpb:22200001: 0:1947 ihlpb!burris Feb 25 0:16:00 1983 There is much controversy over whether or not to believe in God. Does this make it wrong? I, for one, am getting quite upset at seeing the abortion issue being continually argued in a news group that was formed expressedly for discussing issues important to women in today's society. Granted, this issue does involve women but most of the discussion on this issue has been done by men. Do the contributors to this discussion actually believe that an issue which is so private to the individual(s) involved in a discision of this nature is one of the more important issues envolving women in society today? Do you belive that you are solving a world crisis by accusing another human being of murder? Do you actually believe that the decision to abort or not is taken lightly? If so, do you believe that your opinions will actually make a difference? I for one would like to see the end of this discussion, at least in this news group. As a start I would like to pose these question to the women who have been able to survive the abortion issue: What sort of situations, overt actions, etc. do YOU feel are discriminatory when they happen to YOU? How does it make you feel? How do you react? How would you like to see things change to eliminate this situation? Do you stand up for your rights by stating your disapproval of these actions? If not, why not? Allow me to oversimmplify! Men like womem. Many men either don't care or are not aware when they are insulting and/or embarrasing a woman. If women refused to tolerate these sort of situations, the men who perpretrate these actions would soon become very lonely. They might eventually even figure out that THEY are NOT cool when they do these sort of things. I feel that these are the sort of issues that this news group was formed for. Let see some discussion on these issues. Please, none of the trivial door opening crap but REAL ISSUES. Dave Burris ihlpb!burris BTL - Naperville