[net.women] STATISTICS vs discrimination

avi@hogpd.UUCP (07/12/83)

This is a response to an article by Pat Collins (hplabsb!pc) about the Supreme
Court rulings on "discrimination" in pension plans. After reading two other
rebuttals to her views, I still find something to add. She claims that the
court was correct in decreeing that women and men should pay the same amount in
pension deductions - and receive the same amount after they retire.

I feel "sorry" for women who have to pay more for pension coverage or receive
smaller pensions. However, we are not dealing with "charity" here. The
government may choose to distribute charity, but private companies and
insurance carriers can not. Why should they hire/insure women if they will be
MUCH more expensive in the long run. Biological life spans are a fact of life.
If the average woman lives about six years more than the average man, then she
lives almost twice as long after a retirement age of 65. That is a very
significant difference!

In addition, women often get "preference" based on similar sadistics. Women get
charged less for life-insurance policies because they will have to wait longer
to collect. Is that any "fairer"? What does fairness have to do with anything?
The insurance company needs to  make a similar profit on any group it insures.
What about the lower rates for automobile insurance for some categories - such
as women, married people, people over 25, people with no traffic tickets. Is
this fair to an unmarried 17 year-old male with three speeding tickets.

New Jersey has made the mistake of forcing insurance companies to insure
everybody - regardless of risk factors. I am not sure of the details (being
rather new here) but this has led to strange conditions. As recently discussed
on the net, companies like GEICO have just decided to leave NJ. I had to get
insured through some sort of "assigned risk pool". Legislation of this sort is
rarely the answer. I do not want to subsidize people who drink and drive. Let
them pay an amount commensurate with the risks they are taking. I have already
flamed in net.flame about subsidizing the health problems that smokers bring on
to themselves. I insist that smokers have higher insurance rates - based on
readily available statistics. I have often administered tests to people to
determine their expected "life expectancy". With appropriate counseling - and
modification of their habits - they can dramatically increase their life
expectancy. Some insurance companies use such tests (often computerized) to set
their life-insurance rates. As long as the numbers are "accurate", whats wrong
with that?

How would most women feel if the Supreme Court "decreed" that the retirement
age for women (only) should be raised to 70 -- to equalize the average number
of years you could stay retired. Wouldn't this also make us equal? How about
cutting everybodys retirement income after 7 years because they have lived past
the average? All of these options sound equally silly. Insurance is - and
should be - based on reasonably arrived at statistics. If my car is more likely
to be stolen when I park on a "bad" street in Newark, then I should pay for
that risk. Don't call it discrimination. Call it reality. This does not mean
that we should not be trying to "improve" some conditions. It means that we
should focus on those inequities that can be changed. Otherwise, we might have
to spend billions on research that would selectively investigate methods of
increasing the masculine life-span.

I honestly don't believe that this court decision was a victory for women.
Women do not gain by this type of reverse discrimination. I would appreciate it
if people would point out any inadvertent errors I included.

	Avi Gross	hogpd!avi

P.S.	With my unusual first name, I have had my share of invitations to join
womens groups -- such as the Wisconsin Womens Medical Student Association and
Womens Affirmative Action meetings at Bell Laboratories. Needless to say, I
turn such invitations down - because I doubt that they really want me to join.