[net.women] pension discrimination revisited

dr_who@umcp-cs.UUCP (07/24/83)

Egalitarian principles die hard.  What would be so bad about insurance
companies discriminating on the basis of race as well as sex?  Of course,
there is the fear that such discrimination will be based on hate, rather
than statistics.  Let me repeat myself:

I suggest that discrimination based on feelings (biases) might be dealt with
by requiring insurance companies to show, "by a preponderance of evidence" or
some such rule, that their discriminations are based on statistics rather
than prejudice.

Perhaps I should point out that since whites live longer than blacks, blacks
would get higher pension benefits if insurers could discriminate.  Anyway, I
come back to the point that statistic-based discriminations allow insurance
companies to charge customers according to their cost to the company, which
is generally a good thing economically.  Case in point:  the company that
was sued in the original Supreme Court case has converted to a "fixed-year
payout", according to Bob Schleicher (see his article).  By being forced to
change to this system, the company probably lowered "consumer surplus" (see
your economics book), since it defeats the point of a pension plan:  to give
the retired person an income for the rest of his/her life.  The reason why
the company originally had a life-term plan rather than this fixed-year
payout was -- presumably -- because people wanted such a plan; they wanted
to be sure to have a certain income no matter how long they lived.

--Paul Torek, U of MD College Park

bernie@watarts.UUCP (07/27/83)

In dicussing the behaviour of insurance companies, it's important to keep
one thing in mind: Insurance companies are out to make money.  Whether you
approve of this or not is irrelevant; their stated aim is to be profitable.
They do this by setting their rates (as far as possible) to be attractive
to everyone.  This includes men and women of all ages and races; the 
life insurance companies have nothing to gain through discrimination, and
in fact have potential customers to lose.  Assuming (as several netters
have) that there is bias *on the part of the insurace company* is false;
they're just out to turn a buck, and don't really give two hoots where it
comes from.
				--Bernie Roehl
				...decvax!watmath!watarts!bernie

hutch@dadla-b.UUCP (07/29/83)

Bernie Roehl mentions that the insurance companies try to set their rates
to be attractive to as many as possible.

What Bernie missed was the FACT that for many things (especially autos)
insurance is required by law.  The insurance companies need not set too
attractive a rate, and many who DO, avoid paying off on their policies.

Actually, the insurance companies only have to make sure that they are 
PERCEIVED as having attractive rates.  They can and therefore do rip
off anyone they can by making it SEEM that they are setting a good rate
when they're actually cheating a large portion of thier clientele.

Hutch