[net.women] An honest request for information

jvenner@wateng.UUCP (Jason P. Venner) (10/21/83)

     I	   have	    an	    interesting	     problem/view      on
relationships/encounters with motos (yes I am hetero.)

     I seem to feel that I am trying to	_c_a_j_o_l_e motos into  having
sexual	relations(hips)	 with  me.  If I do _c_o_n_v_i_n_c_e them, after-
ward, I	seem to	be expected to	be  beholden  to  them	for  this
gift/service that I have received.  This stuff (my feelings) have
been aggravated	by my awareness	of human  rights  (in  this  case
feminism.) Needless to say this	all makes me feel pretty scummy.

     I don't particularly want to use motos as objects,	and don't
think  that  this  is what I do.  But is the fact that I like sex
(no religious flames please) bad, don't	motos  (in  my	case  fe-
males)	like  sex  too.	 Why is	it that	they seem to have a price
that must be paid in exchange for sex.

     Do	I just run into	the wrong motos?

     Now that I	have finished crying in	my beer, advise	 and  (no
doubt)	flames expected.  Please reply by mail.	 I should summar-
ise all	too.

-- 
				yours sincerely,
				Jason P. Venner
uucp:					:	physical mail:
(jvenner@wateng)			:	Integrated Studies,
(watmath!wateng!jvenner)		:	University of Waterloo,
(allegra!watmath!wateng!jvenner)	:	Waterloo, Ontario.,
(decvax!watmath!wateng!jvenner)		:	Canada.
					:	N2L 3G1

rh@mit-eddie.UUCP (Randy Haskins) (10/28/83)

Q. Do women want a price for sex?
A. Maybe.
Q. Do men want a price for sex?
A. No, men just want the sex.

This is something that has been bothering me for a long time,
also.  Women tend to feel differently about sex since they feel
as if they are more at risk.  A couple of years ago, I had 
a girlfriend who was reasonably bisexual.  At the time, she
didn't really want to fool around with other guys, but she
fooled around with at least 10 other women in the space of
a few months.  I asked her what the difference was, and she
said it was because women couldn't get her pregnant.  Also,
with women, it wasn't a major commitment.  I pointed out that
she could easily find men with whom sex wouldn't imply a commitment,
but she didn't like to have casual sex with men.  She had
a completely different way of looking at sex depending on whether
it was with men or women.  

A side note:  We broke up because she felt I didn't /pay enough
attention to/spend enough time with/ her.

I just thought I'd relate the info, although I'm not in an
introspective mood right now, so I won't comment.

-- 
Randwulf
 (Randy Haskins);  Path= genrad!mit-eddie!rh   or... rh@mit-ee (via mit-mc)

psal@micomvax.UUCP (11/01/83)

	A few years ago, one of the "women's" magazines did a fairly extensive

survey on what a woman looked for in a man. When asked what they looked for 

in a husband, most women said "a breadwinner" or "earning potential." As for 

what they sought in a boyfriend, the most common answers were "generosity" and

"wealth."

	I can only conclude that most women look on a man as I would on a gun:

it's nice to have the license, but the main thing is, is he loaded?


			-Thomas

walsh@ihuxi.UUCP (11/07/83)

I would really like a definition of this "women's" magazine's extensiveness 
in conducting this "survey". Very often, these magazines poll only their
readers, who are not totally representative of the entire female population.
 done, it  
would not show those same results (at least I hope not!). It is strictly
my opinion that working/professional women do not place a man's wealth high
on their list of desirable traits, since they are able to earn their own
money. And since more women are working these days, a new poll correctly
done is in order.

I'd like to see a poll on what men want most from a wife/ladyfriend.
I have a feeling that the results would not be any more complimentary
toward men's attitudes.

                                           B. Walsh

dave@utcsrgv.UUCP (Dave Sherman) (11/08/83)

Women look to men for "generosity", "wealth" and "breadwinning"?

Bear in mind that such a survey by a "women's magazine" might very well
have a slanted sample of the population. It's just possible that the
women who read that magazine are by and large the type who fantasize
about men playing a particular role in their lives, and who have certain
expectations about marriage, and who are reading the magazine because
they are bored with their own lives, and....

I'd prefer to see some information on the survey method before placing
any weight in such a claim.

Dave Sherman
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 {allegra,cornell,decvax,ihnp4,linus,utzoo}!utcsrgv!dave