saquigley@watmath.UUCP (Sophie Quigley) (02/03/84)
Mr Jeff Winslow, I posted a very long article full of examples answering your question right after you posted it to the net. Either you have decided to ignore it, or it hasn't made it to your site. If the latter is the case, then I will resubmit the article. If not, then, I am sorry, I cannot rewrite books on the net, I am already spending enough time submitting my own articles. Unfortunately, except for the book I have mentioned in my earlier article, "ainsi soit-elle" by Benoite Groulx, which will not be of any great help for you if you don't know french, I do not have other references, as I have gathered my information from many different books. I believe the authors of these books gathered their legal references from old legal books. I am sure that you would not have too many problems finding evidence confirming my claims if you checked any pre-WW2 legal books on the marriage and family law sections. I do not know how to go about finding these though, maybe someone on the net (Dave Sherman?) might be more informed on this topic. Another place to check would be a feminist bookstore. They certainly would know better than me where to find good references. If anybody has better ideas than me on how to answer this question, please post them to the net. Sophie Quigley watmath!saquigley
jeffw@tekecs.UUCP (02/16/84)
All I want to say about the first subject is: No, Sophie, I have been waiting,
but your article giving examples must have been swallowed by the net before
it got here. Maybe you should just mail it - one piece of mail, at least, from
you did get through to me.
As to the second - I can understand that statement IF one makes a distinction
between erotica and pornography. Otherwise, I cannot. Does Andrea Dworkin
make that distinction? Then perhaps she would ban Hustler while allowing
Playboy? I doubt it.
Can anyone explain to me how it is that a picture of a naked woman lying on a
bed (for example) "degrades" (What *does* that mean, anyway?) a fully clothed
woman buying eggs in a supermarket? If I were Ms. Dworkin, I think my attitude
would be, "if that silly woman wants to do that for pay, that's her problem".
If she thinks that I think less of *her* because of those pictures, she's
crazier than a pondful of loons. But then, radical feminists aren't known
for their deep understanding of masculine behavior.
It should be obvious that the men who seek out sadistic pornography do so
because of their attitudes toward women, rather than those attitudes being
caused by the pornography. So what good will banning the porn do?
the "ignorant",
Jeff Winslow