david@tekig.UUCP (David Hayes) (02/29/84)
All this hoopla on abortion stirs strong emotions in everyone
it seems. Why must there be a Gov't ruling or law at all??
I'll agree that maybe state and federal monies need not be supplied
for abortions, but if my family decides not to have a
child at this particular time, isn't this OUR business??
If all women are required to carry to full term and give birth,
will the pro-lifers help out in anyway? Who will see that a
child is loved and cared for? Not the people who want abortion banned.
They will sit back and pat themselves on the back for saving
a life and not think that life is more than a biological function.
I am curious to the responses to a few scenarios that readily
come to mind, feel free to write me and give me your opinion,
or just flame on:
1 - A woman is pregnant, she doesn't want a child.
2 - A typical family, two kids, Dad out of work. A big OOOPs,
and another is on the way.
3 - A married couple going to school, of course there are
big plans for both careers, again, unplanned pregnancy.
4 - Here is an emotional one, your 14 year old daughter
is pregnant. She does or doesn't want the child,
the father is or isn't around.
A few guidelines for those responding,
I may not be of your religious faith, so that particular
argument is not real strong with me, but it still is a
viable stance for YOUR position.
I'll try and answer all submissions either thru mail or on the
net, if my present beliefs are swayed by a particular
argument, I'll certainly post it.
tektronix!tekig!david
alias David Hayesstanwyck@ihuxr.UUCP (Don Stanwyck) (03/03/84)
Just a quick response to the idea that the pro-lifers won't help pay for the unaborted fetuses when they become kids....... I am aware that some of the people among the "Naperville Citizens for Life" group have adopted babies born to people that they had managed to talk out of abortions. The ones adopted by members of the group were not the normal, easily placed kids, but rather the Downs/Other "unplaceables" that came out of their "success" cases. (One such lady attends our church, and is/was the leader of NCfL). All I'm sayingis that generalizations are dangerous, and many who preach pro-life live it as well. -- ________ ( ) Don Stanwyck @( o o )@ 312-979-3062 ( || ) Cornet-367-3062 ( \__/ ) ihnp4!ihuxr!stanwyck (______) Bell Labs @ Naperville, IL
pmd@cbscc.UUCP (Paul Dubuc) (03/05/84)
[from David Hayes:] > All this hoopla on abortion stirs strong emotions in everyone > it seems. Why must there be a Gov't ruling or law at all?? > I'll agree that maybe state and federal monies need not be supplied > for abortions, but if my family decides not to have a > child at this particular time, isn't this OUR business?? Um.... please remember the issue. If abortion is killing a human being it *is* our buisness. If that family decides that they don't want their 3 year old anymore and want to kill it, is it none of our business? > If all women are required to carry to full term and give birth, > will the pro-lifers help out in anyway? Who will see that a > child is loved and cared for? Not the people who want abortion banned. > They will sit back and pat themselves on the back for saving > a life and not think that life is more than a biological function. This is pure BALONEY! It's amazing how some people know what others will and won't do. Get your head out of the sand. You display an amazing ignorance to what these "pro-lifers" are *already* doing to help. It's not really surprising though, given the way the media covers pro-life activity. Tell us which of the following scenarios demonstrates more committment to the individual involved: A) A young woman walks into and agency for a pregnancy test. It is positive. They ask her on the spot whether or not she wants to get an abortion. If she says yes she can get one immediately if she wants. She doesn't even have to get the results of the test confirmed by a doctor. She is given a brief discription of the mechanics of the procedure, prepared and put in the queue. It's all over in a few hours and she is charged a fee of at least $100. B) A woman walks into an agency for a free pregnancy test. It is positive, but she is told to get it confirmed by a doctor because there are a few conditions (e.g. bladder infection) that can make the test give a false positive result. In helping the woman to make a decision in the case where she is pregnant she is counseled on alternatives to abortion. She is told that if she wants to go through with the pregnancy the agency will provide her with the following: 1) Help in finding a place to stay during pregnancy if she needs one. They have a list of people willing to open their homes to them. 2) Help in finding a good doctor and in paying her medical bills if she can't afford them. 3) Free baby cloths, furniture, etc. donated for that purpose. 4) Help in continuing her education is she is still in school. 5) Assistance in placing the baby in an adoptive home if she chooses. 6) On-going counseling for any other problems that arise. People are really interested in helping them. All above services are provided free. Scenario A characterizes most abortion clinics, they are profit making orgizations. Scenario B characterizes the increasing number of pro-life non-profit organizations such as the Pregnancy Distress Center here in Columbus where my wife volunteers her time. It takes a lot a committment to provide these services and they provide answers to the problems in your quiz. Those who advocate abortion make no real committment to the people involved. They do make a profit from them, however. Let me turn the quiz around and give it to the "pro-choicers" out there. Let's say that in any one of the questions given by David, the woman or couple decides that they do not want an abortion. Will they get any support for that choice from the pro-choice camp? Or will they be counseled that abortion is the best choice in their circmstances? (And let's not talk theory... actual practice, please.) Paul Dubuc