[net.women] Sex and Determinism

martillo@ihuxt.UUCP (Yehoyaqim Martillo) (05/20/84)

A new book has appeared called Biology, Ideology, and Human Nature by R.
C. Lewontin, Steven Rose and Leon J. Kamin.  It is not scholarly but
supports the environmentalist position.  The reviewer in the N.Y. Times
says it's good.  The reviewer and apparently the authors never realized
that nowadays the genetic determinist position is the progressive point of
view.

Changing the environment to produce good woman mathematicians might be
hard.  However within one generation, making everyone mathematical
geniuses through genetic engineering might be easy.

kim@emory.UUCP (Kim Wallen {Psychology}) (05/20/84)

I have to disagree with Mr. Martillo that the genetic determinism point
of view is progressive.  The progressive (i.e. synthetic) view is that
genotypes only set predispositions and that a genotype acting ina given
environment produces the phenotype which is what we interact and deal
with.  For some traits the phenotypic variance that can be produced by 
the environment is relatively small and for other traits it is extremely
large, but for all traits there is some environment which prevents the
expression of a given genotype (usually lethal).  One example, an 
individual has a genetic predispostion to have blond hair, but only
if exposed to x minutes/day of sunshine.  If that genotype is not exposed
to the appropriate environment the person has brown hair and looks no
different from any other brown-haired person who may or may not have
the genotype for "sun-blonding".

It is a rather antiquated position to talk of genetic determinism in
regard to behavior, just as it is antiquated to talk of pure environmental
determinism.  The rise of E.O. Wilson's brand of Sociobiology has 
unfortunately given rise once-again to these outdated views of animals
responding strictly to their geneotypes as if the environment was not
a critical player in the expression of genotypes.

Just remember, no one has ever seen a genotype, just the expression of
one in a particular environment.

Kim Wallen; Psychology Dept.; Emory University;Atlanta, GA
akgua!emory!kim

martillo@ihuxt.UUCP (Yehoyaqim Martillo) (05/21/84)

I read Sociobiology and I saw no evidence of a purely genetic determinist
point of view.  I suspect most of the people who flamed about E.O. Wilson
never read his writings.

As for progressive, I consider a point of view progressive if it offers a
potentially successful solution.  In a generation or two, scientists will
probably be most less desirable traits through genetic engineering.  

The nurture adherents have had three generations at least to eliminate
race as a predictor of success in intellectual endeavors and have failed
abysmally.  Clinging to unsuccessful theories hardly strikes me as
progressive.  At least in view of the new technology the genetic
determinists offer something new to try.