[net.women] Genetic Determinism utterly trashed

robison@eosp1.UUCP (Tobias D. Robison) (06/18/84)

References:

This note is only tangential to discussions in net.women recently,
but I think it will still be of interest.

Genetic determinist arguments have an assumption in them
that is usually not made explicit.  The determinists work to prove
that certain behavior, or a difference among the sexes, is genetically
determined, and then assume that, if they are right, society should
accept the genetically determined results.  The often implicit
assumption is that societies should accept "instinctive" behavior,
and should not try to force people to go against their predisposed
natures.

One might think that this implicit assumption is a legitimate topic 
for open discussion --
should society, and governments, ever try to force people to act
against their predetermined patterns of behavior?  In fact, it is
a closed question that has been decided against the determinists.

The test case is toilet training.  It is clear that this process
battles some of our strongest genetic behavior patterns, and often
has such strong effects on individuals as to mold a great deal of
their adult personality.  Yet virtually everyone agrees that the
process is necessary.

The next time you are in the home of a genetic determinist, you might
like to try to explain to him or her what a mess the house would
be if you and the other guests seriously accepted genetic
determinist assumptions.  (And don't miss your opportunity to make
territorialist claims on their "space" in the oldfashioned genetically
determined way.)

I believe this test case reduces the genetic determinist arguments to
rubble.  It leaves us with the understanding that no matter how
strong a sexual difference may be, society must determine, on
completely nongenetic bases, whether to encourage people to overcome
the difference.
				  - Toby Robison (not Robinson!)
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timothy@druxt.UUCP (06/19/84)

I think there is a flaw in your argument.  There are some human
behaviors that are either genetic or learned so early in life that they
are "imprinted" (to borrow a term from animal behavior).  If we use
forcing left-handed people to write with their right hand as the test
case, I think you will see a good argument in favor of determinism.

I can not think of a good reason to force a left-handed person to use
their right hand, although for a long time, such was the standard
policy in American schools.  The strongest reason, although not a good
one, is that this is a "right-handed" world, and a left handed person
does indeed have problems with many common pieces of equipment.

My biggest, and probably only, disagreement with the original article
is with the attitude that genetic determinism is totally wrong.  I do
not believe that the influence of genetics on specific behaviors is as
strong as the proponents would like us to believe, however, as has been
expressed a lot lately, there is an influence.

I hope this topic quickly becomes a dead horse and people stop beating
it.

Tim
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