[net.women] fish without a bicycle

tims@mako.UUCP (05/30/84)

 > "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle."

Not true.  A fish can't ride a bicycle.  8-)
Actually, I've always kind of resented this saying.  It says that men have no
place in women's lives, which I don't believe, and hope is not true.  I wonder
what the purpose of the statement is, I suspect it is to cause resentment.

ken@ihuxq.UUCP (ken perlow) (06/01/84)

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>>  > "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle."

>> Not true.  A fish can't ride a bicycle.  8-)
>> Actually, I've always kind of resented this saying.  It says that
>> men have no place in women's lives, which I don't believe, and hope
>> is not true.  I wonder what the purpose of the statement is, I
>> suspect it is to cause resentment.

Well, I'm the guy who quoted it, and have done so more than once.
It's not that men have no place in women's lives, simply that they
need not de facto because of an imagined way the world works have any
predefined place.  And vice versa.  No, my purpose was not to cause
resentment, just to sweep some dusty thoughts from the subconscious
shelves of egregious metaphors.
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guy@rlgvax.UUCP (Guy Harris) (06/01/84)

>  > "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle."

> Not true.  A fish can't ride a bicycle.  8-)
> Actually, I've always kind of resented this saying.  It says that men have no
> place in women's lives, which I don't believe, and hope is not true.  I wonder
> what the purpose of the statement is, I suspect it is to cause resentment.

The statement wasn't meant to imply that men have no place in women's lives,
although given that a fish can't ride a bicycle it could, I guess, be taken
that way.  What it meant to say was that a woman doesn't *need* a man in
her life, which is certainly true.  It can be interpreted as "A woman
without a man is like a fish without a bicycle because a fish can't do
anything with a bicycle", true; but it can also be interpreted as "A woman
without a man is like a fish without a bicycle because a fish can get along
quite well without a bicycle."  The latter is, I believe, what was intended.

	Guy Harris
	{seismo,ihnp4,allegra}!rlgvax!guy

trb@masscomp.UUCP (06/02/84)

> "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle."

This statement is as valid and useful as

	"A man without a woman is like a fish without a bicycle."

In my opinion, it's not valid and not useful at all.
I also think that anyone who offers it as wisdom is a fool.

	Andy Tannenbaum   Masscomp Inc  Westford MA   (617) 692-6200 x274

tracy@hcrvax.UUCP (Tracy Tims) (06/04/84)

A friend of mine claims,

	``A woman without a man is like a fish without a hook.''

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guy@rlgvax.UUCP (Guy Harris) (06/04/84)

> > "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle."

> This statement is as valid and useful as

> 	"A man without a woman is like a fish without a bicycle."

> In my opinion, it's not valid and not useful at all.
> I also think that anyone who offers it as wisdom is a fool.

Well, if taken literally, it can be picked apart easily; however, the
intent is simply to say that a woman doesn't need a man, and a woman
without a man is OK.  Perhaps we should come up with an alternate
phrasing - "A woman without a man is like a woman without a bicycle."?
After all, a man or a bicycle may be convenient, but many women do without
one or the other with no trouble.

I suspect the hyperbole of the statement originated from some amount of
anger at people who were insisting that a woman without a man is missing
something necessary.

	Guy Harris
	{seismo,ihnp4,allegra}!rlgvax!guy

colonel@gloria.UUCP (George Sicherman) (06/13/84)

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Why not just rearrange it?

	"A WOMAN NEEDS A FISH LIKE A MAN NEEDS A BICYCLE."

Surely you agree with that!
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Col. G. L. Sicherman
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timothy@druxt.UUCP (06/17/84)

I can't belive that so much time, effort and other resources are going
to the topic of fishes with/without bicycles.

*sigh* I will probably resent having said this.

Tim
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tron@fluke.UUCP (Peter F. Barbee) (06/25/84)

The phrase is not an analogy but rather a colloquialism, it is not
bound by semantic logic.  It is merely a simple phrase to indicate
that women do not need men.  The key word now is need.  I like the
company of women, even the romantic and special company that a
lover/partner provides, but I do not need women, I want them.
(I'm amused at the word 'them' in the last sentence but let's not
get into fantasies just yet)

The wonderful thing about women's lib is that eventually we really
will have a society of peers.  Now let's get busy and get it done.

				Peter Barbee

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