[net.women] Bigotry and Trish's original quote

jeffw@tekecs.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) (07/11/84)

Sorry, Sophie, but whether an attitude is bigotry or just opinion is
not determined merely by how it is expressed. First, all bigotry is just
opinion. Or do you think that a bigot's attitude toward that which she
despises is based on truth?

It is commendable that Trish chose the construction, "I think that.." rather
than "Most men are...". But - whether I say, for example, "I think all women
are ignorant sluts" or "All women are ignorant sluts", I'm still a bigot.
Recognizing my own prejudices makes no difference.

By the way, were you affected by the first statement the same way you were
affected by Trish's generalization? Would you have been if you thought I meant
it?

As for "unhappy and not well-adjusted", I don't know about the first, but
anyone who despises half of humanity (if indeed she does) is not well-
adjusted, period. Being a lesbian or not has absolutely nothing to do with
that. 

						Jeff Winslow

seifert@ihuxl.UUCP (D.A. Seifert) (07/12/84)

> Recognizing my own prejudices makes no difference.

Wrong!  You can't work on correcting your problem if you
don't know you *have* a problem.
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smann@ihu1g.UUCP (Sherry Mann) (07/12/84)

For those who have asked Sophie if she is more offended by
"Most women are..." or "I think most women are...", I'd like
to express how I feel.  I definitely react to "I think"
differently than "Most women are" - with the former, I tend to
feel a little sorry for the person expressing the sentiment
for the bad experiences they must have had to lead them to feel
that way, and also, believe it or not some amount of empathy
because I have had experiences I'd rather not have had
which have colored the way I feel about things.
The latter expression therefore offends me more, and sounds to me
more like a bigoted statement than an effort to let me know
something about the speaker.

	Sherry Mann

chabot@amber.DEC (Lisa S. Chabot) (07/15/84)

On the contrary, the recognition of the differences between one's own opinions
and others that is expressed in "I think that" *is* important, and could have
helped some not bruise their feelings in this tortuous discussion.  At the very
least, more appropriate than many of the direct responses, would have been a 
mild rebuttal on the order of "Hey, I don't think so :-)"  Then many would have
been spared the thankless job of defending someone's right to express personal
opinions.

Are some really so inexperienced in dealing with the opinions of others that 
they might consider to be insulting opinions?  Wattsa matta, don't you folks
have relatives with whom to spend the holidays :-)?

	Blatantly declaring my close-minded opinions again,
	L S Chabot

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colonel@gloria.UUCP (George Sicherman) (07/27/84)

[Hey, look ... here's another one of those bizarre signs]

>>	Recognizing my own prejudices makes no difference.

>	Wrong!  You can't work on correcting your problem if you
>	don't know you *have* a problem.

He does not think there is anything the matter with him
because
	one of the things that is
	the matter with him
	is that he does not think that there is anything
	the matter with him

...

there is something the matter with him
because he thinks
	there must be something the matter with us
for trying to help him to see
that there must be something the matter with him
to think that there is something the matter with us
for trying to help him to see that
	we are helping him ...

			R. D. Laing, _Knots_
-- 
Col. G. L. Sicherman
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