twiss@stolaf.UUCP (Thomas S. Twiss) (10/11/84)
>Porsche turbos are legal in the U.S. under some circumstances. So long >as that is true, why should there be discrimination against poor people? >That's what a cutoff of funding for Porsche turbos does. It says if >you can afford to pay for it, OK; otherwise, no way. That's hypocritical >and wrong. > >like, hey, where's my Porsche turbo??? > >also substitute "several acres of waterfront property", or >"a controlling interest in a major corporation", or whatever >high-ticket item turns you on. > >Disclaimer: the idea presented above is not original. > >Question: what the <bleep> is this doing in net.women? >-- > _____ "Money. It's a gas. Just keep your hands > /_____\ off of *my* stack!" - Pink Floyd > /_______\ > |___| Snoopy > ____|___|_____ ihnp4!ihuxl!seifert You have got to be kidding me! Please say you are joking and that you really aren't this obtuse! Can you honestly equate Porsches and abortions on the same need level? Are you out of your mind!!???!? Not giving someone a Porsche isn't even REMOTELY analogous to giving aid for abortions. What about health care? Would you say that only the rich are entitled to that? "Well, the poor little bastard couldn't pay for the operation, so we let him die." Good thinking. Your several corrolary examples are as equally ridiculous. You cite only items of luxury, not necessity. Abortions are a matter of need. Just how important you view that need, or how right it is, or how you apply it to various situations, I'll let you decide - but you can't tell me that having an abortion is a luxury! Get serious!! "Well, you know Mom, since I was raped I really would like to get an abortion 'cause, you know, it might be kind of difficult to have the kid since I'm only 15." "I'm sorry, daughter, but that's just a luxury your father and I can't afford. We have bills to pay you know..." Do I make my point? I hope, Snoopy, that you were just being sarcastic and that you aren't really trying to convince people of this position. It is extremely selfish and uncaring. But if you are joking, I apologize for not seeing it. Otherwise, I bite my thumb at you, sir! -- Tom Twiss @ St. Olaf College {decvax|ihnp4}!stolaf!twiss There is no reality. Really, I'm not kidding.
seifert@ihuxl.UUCP (D.A. Seifert) (10/11/84)
All I'm saying is "Let's get the Government out of the Santa Claus
business." If they can't afford their own abortion, it's probably
because their pocketbook has been raped by the tax-man, and/or
because the economy has been screwed up (by gov't) so much that
they are un/under_employed. I'm told that abortions are available
for $150 (US). Sounds a tad low given general health-care costs,
but I have no reason to doubt the person who told me this
actually knew of a respectable (read: safe) establishment
offering abortions at this price.
Providing abortions for people who get careless is not
the proper role of government.
--
_____ "Money. It's a gas. Just keep your hands
/_____\ off of *my* stack!" - Pink Floyd
/_______\
|___| Snoopy
____|___|_____ ihnp4!ihuxl!seifertlmf@drutx.UUCP (FullerL) (10/11/84)
Certainly is careless to be raped or be a victim of incest isn't it :-) Are you for real? How about birth control failures? How about people who don't know about birth control methods that work (some teenagers for example)? Maybe all men should put $150 in a trust fund for the woman they are having sex with in case she gets pregnant. After all she has to go through the physical and emotional pain so the least he can do is go through the financial pain. (I'm being slightly sarcastic here). Lori Fuller (probably shouldn't have written this while I was still so angry)
agz@pucc-k (Andrew Banta) (10/12/84)
> What about health care? Would you say that only the rich > are entitled to that? "Well, the poor little bastard couldn't pay for > the operation, so we let him die." Good thinking. Hey, that's capitalism. Seriously, has anyone ever heard of health insurance? Something that I wouldn't leave home without. Maybe you people have forgotten what the whole purpose of capitalism is. I think it would nice to note at this point the *ideal* communism is when all support the welfare of every one else. I won't say that ideal communis is bad, but it seems that there are enough hard-nose, out and out Republicans in this group to make the idea unattractive. How about if we just quit arguing about what the government is supposed to give us and what it isn't. If the government is supposed to "give" us everything that some arbitrary person decides we "need" then why don't we all just say that the government supports all of us, that they are the great provider, that we are all government employees. Is this what you want to say? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andy Banta {decvax!allegra!ihnp4}!pur-ee!pucc-k!agz Dept. of Mental Instability, Purdue University --- "I'm OK, You're a CS Major" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "A new car, caviar, four-star daydream, Think I'll buy me a football team ... "
phil@amd.UUCP (Phil Ngai) (10/13/84)
> Your several corrolary examples are as equally ridiculous. You > cite only items of luxury, not necessity. Abortions are a matter of > need. Just how important you view that need, or how right it is, or how > you apply it to various situations, I'll let you decide - but you can't > tell me that having an abortion is a luxury! Get serious!! I don't see the government funding heart transplants which are rather important to the person who needs one. And I don't want them to either. Let's consider "poor people who live in the Northeast who can't pay their heating bills" or any of the other classes of people who have a need they can't afford. Now explain why people who need abortions are more deserving of my tax dollars. -- Phil Ngai (408) 982-6554 UUCPnet: {ucbvax,decwrl,ihnp4,allegra,intelca}!amd!phil ARPAnet: amd!phil@decwrl.ARPA
engels@ihuxo.UUCP (SME) (10/16/84)
Phil Ngai writes >I don't see the government funding heart transplants..... >.....Poor people who....can't pay their heating bills..... >..why people who need abortions are more deserving of my tax dollars. The government does fund heart transplants indirectly. Universities get grants to do medical research. Grant money comes from the government who gets the money from your taxes. In the midwest, the state/local governments have a fund to help poor people pay their heating bills. This argument supports government funded abortions. Is that really what Phil means?
wetcw@pyuxa.UUCP (T C Wheeler) (10/17/84)
The government does NOT fund heart transplants, even using the convoluted logic of University grants. I won't argue with paying some heating bills, it keeps people alive, just what I would like to see happen with fetuses. T. C. Wheeler