london@oddjob.UUCP (David London) (05/14/85)
<> Well, I have been following this discussion for some time (curfew for men; discrimination against white men; women being proud of triumphing over sexism; etc....). A few comments (by the way, I am a white man): Re: discrimination against white men: All I can say to this is - if you white men feel discriminated against, TFB! (that's Too Fucking Bad!). You do *not* live on an island. If you stopped thinking about yourselves for a second, you'd see that the minor troubles you have to put up with are worth it *for the good of other people* (women, blacks, minorities, etc.). That's the main point: the "troubles" you face now pale in comparison to the discrimination women, blacks, etc. have been facing (and still face) for *centuries*. You get no sympathy from me. Re: curfew: whoever made the original posting - good going! You seem to have hit a raw nerve. I'm not sure what good it will do - I don't know how many men will hear the anger and (perhaps) bitterness in your tone and react to it by thinking about all you've said, but perhaps some will. The point here is: (perhaps) men now can feel what it is to have the shoe on the other foot (by the way, beth d., your postings were great - to me, they really got to the heart of the matters). Finally, I completely support your (i.e. women's) being proud of the accomplishments of other women. The only way to change things is as a group. Pride in being part of a group of people who fight against discrimination is an essential part of keeping the spirit alive. Although I can't feel pride in being a woman, I do feel pride in being among those people who fight for equal rights. Conversely, I often feel shame at being a part of a group of people (white men) who practice sexism, racism, etc., sometimes purposefully, but often without ever being aware of it. Keep fighting! David London ..!ihnp4!oddjob!london
robertp@weitek.UUCP (Robert Plamondon) (05/17/85)
Ever since the mid-Sixties, it's been unfashionable to be a bigot. But it seems that time heals all wounds, and people are drifting back to their normal state. For those that support curfews for men, bravo! It take courage (or something) to stand up and say, "I don't care which of you is guilty -- you're all the same, you're all inferior!" Right on! The concept of individual rights is just a ploy to keep the master race/sex/whatever from assuming its rightful place, with its boot firmly on the neck of the inferior race/sex/whatever. And don't forget to insist that THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW! No sense being just a bigot when you can be a fascist too. -- Robert Plamondon
dimitrov@csd2.UUCP (Isaac Dimitrovsky) (05/23/85)
[] >> Why do *I*, as a white adult male of Northern European descent, have to pay >> for what *someone else* did more than 200 years ago?... > > *YOU* make me throw up. > > *Your* white ancestors intelligently came to this `land of opportunity' > where `ALL WHITE MALES ARE CREATED SUPERIOR', lived decent, hard working > lives, and now, *YOU*, the fruit of their expectations, have fulfilled > their hopes by attaining a what probably seemed but a dream a short > 130 years ago. etc. etc. etc. OK, buddy, *my* parents came to this country about forty years ago. The majority of my mother's family was turned into soap and lampshades by a group of people who now seem to have a substantial fan club on the network. My father had to spend a good proportion of his youth fighting against a couple of hundred million people of the Moslem persuasion who wanted to turn *him* into soap and lampshades. So send me all your fuckin' money, you filthy profiteer-from-the-murder- of-innocents pig you (check or money order, please). Isaac Dimitrovsky