ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) (05/23/85)
I am amazed at the perverse uses people out there have found for `guilt': >>> ...didn't hold any slaves, *I* didn't force any Orientals into ghettos in >>> San Francisco, *I* didn't lynch any black p... And don't give me any of >>> these arguments based on the notion of 'original sin'..{Mr.D} >> >> *Your* white ancestors intelligently came to this `land of opportunity' >> where `ALL WHITE MALES ARE CREATED SUPERIOR', lived decent, hard... >> ...their labor were usurped by a system that favored *YOUR* FAMILY.{ME} > >It's hard for me to imagine the above...serving any >purpose other than to try to make Mr. D. feel guilty. You would >not be trying to make him feel guilty if he wasn't white and male, and >you are well aware that he had nothing to do with the assorted nasty >acts committed by other white men. The only thing I can conclude, >therefore, is that you hold him guilty for being a white man. You hold >him guilty, not for what he has done, but for what he *is*. >Something in our upbringing encourages us to feel guilty for the acts >of other people, acts we have no control over, for no reason other than >some accidental resemblance, such as being of the same race or sex. >People should recognize this and resist it. It makes no sense for so >many people to go around feeling guilty for the way they are born. And >that includes *you*, Mr. Ellis. -- David Canzi This is self-serving horse-shit, Mr. Canzi. Apparently your feeble mind can perceive no other motivations besides self-interest and guilt. With all your nauseating talk of guilt, you conveniently lose sight of YOUR real problem -- SELFISHNESS, a PARANOID DESIRE to be free from guilt or social responsibility, and LACK OF HUMANITY. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN whether our long suffering Overprivileged class feels guilt -- in fact, any psychic effort wasted thereby should better be spent cultivating such worthwhile virtues as COMPASSION, CHARITY, LOVE and UNDERSTANDING. The point of my original article was very clear: The Overprivileged innocently possess that which partly should have gone to the Underprivileged (STOLEN INHERITANCE). The Overprivileged then noisily protest at the slightest effort to achieve recompensation, typically crying `unfair'. So now you hypocritically condemn me for MAKING YOU BOYS FEEL GUILTY? You have told me what is in my mind, Mr Kanzi. My turn now. Here is what I think goes on inside YOUR head: If I am guilty, I will have to PAY If I have to pay, I must be GUILTY I do not want to be GUILTY I do not believe in inherited guilt Why do *I* have to pay for something *I* didn't do? I did not steal the inheritance of the poor Even though it's mine now *I* am blameless This wealth is *Mine* **MINE** Guilt is a primitive and inefficient way to run one's life, Mr Canzi. When you can free yourself from it, whether through snake-handling, maturity, or divine grace, goodwill might just take its place. `Affirmative Action' is not REWARD or PUNISHMENT; it is a simple attempt to help those in dire need -- like graduated income tax, welfare, government funding to minority students and businesses, $c. -- but I suppose that you're probably against these as well. You favor doing nothing. I wonder why? Mr Canzi, if you are called on to sacrifice in some small way to help some underprivileged soul, please STOP THINKING THAT YOU ARE BEING PUNISHED. Nobody blames you for accidentally being born Overprivileged. -michael
bae@fisher.UUCP (Shiva the Destroyer) (05/25/85)
Bloody socialists!
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USnail: 184 Little Hall, Princeton University, Princeton, NJ 08544dmcanzi@watdcsu.UUCP (David Canzi) (05/27/85)
In article <260@spar.UUCP> ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) writes: >I am amazed at the perverse uses people out there have found for `guilt': The truly perverse use of guilt is trying to make people feel guilty for the actions of other members of their race/sex/etc. It's fairly common. I've reread your article, and found that you were not, after all, doing this. Why did I think I saw that kind of argument in your article? Because I've come to expect it. Call this a knee-jerk reaction on my part. > This is self-serving horse-shit, Mr. Canzi. Actually, I never stopped to think what effect affirmative action might have on me. So, my opposition to affirmative action is not self-serving. By the way, might it not be considered self-serving for women and/or blacks to demand affirmative action? > The point of my original article was very clear: > > The Overprivileged innocently possess that which partly should have > gone to the Underprivileged (STOLEN INHERITANCE). The Overprivileged > then noisily protest at the slightest effort to achieve > recompensation, typically crying `unfair'. I doubt that the majority of those overprivileged on the net who disapprove of affirmative action are in such a position that affirmative action could affect them in the near future. > Guilt is a primitive and inefficient way to run one's life, Mr Canzi. I know. But it's a very efficient way to run somebody else's life. That's a major reason why I oppose it. > `Affirmative Action' is not REWARD or PUNISHMENT; it is a simple attempt > to help those in dire need -- like graduated income tax, welfare, > government funding to minority students and businesses, $c. -- but I > suppose that you're probably against these as well. Don't assume I'm a knee-jerk conservative just because I disagree with some article of the liberal religion. > You favor doing nothing. I wonder why? That's not quite the truth. I'm against affirmative action. Why? Because affirmative action is discrimination. Because affirmative action is a program for redistributing misery, not for curing it. Because it requires the creation of yet another government program, when the government is already unable to balance its budget. All that's accomplished, at some cost, is to make a different set of people miserable than those who would have been miserable without affirmative action. -- David Canzi "The Indians got revenge on the white man. They gave him tobacco."
robertp@weitek.UUCP (Robert Plamondon) (05/29/85)
In article <260@spar.UUCP>, ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) writes: > I am amazed at the perverse uses people out there have found for `guilt': > > This is self-serving horse-shit, Mr. Canzi. > > Apparently your feeble mind can perceive no other motivations besides > self-interest and guilt. > > With all your nauseating talk of guilt, you conveniently lose sight of > YOUR real problem -- SELFISHNESS, a PARANOID DESIRE to be free from > guilt or social responsibility, and LACK OF HUMANITY. > > I DON'T GIVE A DAMN whether our long suffering Overprivileged class > feels guilt -- in fact, any psychic effort wasted thereby should better > be spent cultivating such worthwhile virtues as COMPASSION, CHARITY, > LOVE and UNDERSTANDING. > -michael *GREAT* display of compassion, charity, love, and understanding!