colonel@gloria.UUCP (Col. G. L. Sicherman) (05/18/85)
> >You've failed to separate the ideas of (a) admiring another person and > >(b) being proud of another person. I'll try to make the distinction > >very clear... Being of the same sex or race or > >nationality as some other person who has accomplished something great > >is not an accomplishment. So why be proud? > > All HUMANS who have worked together against oppression have a great > deal to be proud of whenever anyone of us breaks the chains of the > past. > > One white man speaks his mind > But we all suffer his disgrace According to Lao-Tzu, a workman who is proud of his accomplishments will never amount to much. -- Col. G. L. Sicherman ...{rocksvax|decvax}!sunybcs!colonel
desjardins@h-sc1.UUCP (marie desjardins) (05/21/85)
> > According to Lao-Tzu, a workman who is proud of his accomplishments > will never amount to much. > -- > Col. G. L. Sicherman > ...{rocksvax|decvax}!sunybcs!colonel Oh, then I suppose it must be so. Really, what does this have to do with anything? Do you have anything to back this up? Did he? I see nothing wrong with being proud of what one has accomplished. I also see nothing wrong with desiring peer approval. It's simply a form of reward, internalized. In fact, I can think of many cases where pride is the only reward one receives for some accomplishment, in which case it would almost certainly foster learning. I can also think of cases where peer approval is the only reward one receives for some behavior, in which the behavior is highly undesirable (vandalism is one). marie desjardins
colonel@gloria.UUCP (Col. G. L. Sicherman) (06/05/85)
["Pride goeth before destruction." --from a popular book] > > According to Lao-Tzu, a workman who is proud of his accomplishments > > will never amount to much. > > Oh, then I suppose it must be so. Really, what does this have to do > with anything? Do you have anything to back this up? Did he? I see > nothing wrong with being proud of what one has accomplished. I also > see nothing wrong with desiring peer approval. It's simply a form of > reward, internalized. In fact, I can think of many cases where pride > is the only reward one receives for some accomplishment, in which case > it would almost certainly foster learning. I can also think of cases > where peer approval is the only reward one receives for some behavior, > in which the behavior is highly undesirable (vandalism is one). Internalized! Imagined rather. The point of the quotation is that pride in your accomplishments (1) serves as a phony subsitute for a real reward, and (2) distracts you from the work you are to do _now._ Peer approval is altogether different. If people are so pleased with your works that they invite you to dinner, you don't need any pride-- better discard it! -- Col. G. L. Sicherman ...{rocksvax|decvax}!sunybcs!colonel