[net.women] Adios

ellis@spar.UUCP (Michael Ellis) (06/13/85)

> {J. Eric Roskos}

>However, I noted with an extreme degree of irritation how many congressMEN
>made the blatantly sexist remark, "obviously no one feels women should have
>to go into combat;" and even more, I noted that no women I knew challenged
>this statement.  They generally agreed with it.

     And you'll also note that ERA wasn't passed either.

     Why should women fight for a country where they are treated
     as second class citizens?

     Oh yeah. I forgot. All men are created equal.

     BTW, I remember plenty of feminists fighting for a much better cause
     anyway -- namely to get rid of the draft -- for everybody.

>If you are only going to advocate a principle as long as it does not
>remotely endanger you, as long as it only gives you good things, then I
>will not support you at all.  I have come to perceive that, to a large
>number of people, the principles of the feminist movement are simply a means
>of advancing women's already privileged state in the world, by eliminating
>some of the remaining tradeoffs.  When I perceive that the majority of women
>continue to fall back on their privileges and their traditional social roles
>whenever it does not inconvenience them, I find it difficult to
>conscientiously support their cause.

    Can I assume that you have found breaking out from the rigid roles society
    brainwashed us into to be an easy, painless task?

    Let's turn this question around and see how much better the men
    have been doing.

    Did I hear you saying that feminism only:

	 `advancing women's already privileged state' ????????

    Men have more to learn than women (in your case a LOT more). 
    For instance...

    How many men do YOU know who have acquired the traditionally feminine
    virtues of patience, understanding, gentleness and nurturance that will
    be required to stay at home with the kids when it is their turn?

    How many men do you know who are psychologically prepared to change
    diapers, scrub floors, prepare dinner, &c. and be cheerful, sexy, and
    comforting when the wife comes home from a hard day at work with her
    paycheck in hand?

    Frankly, most guys I know do not even do their share of housework 
    in childless, dual-career marriages.

    Typically, the most lukewarm backsliding feminist women I've encountered
    tend to far outstrip the pitiful degree of self-transformation
    found among even the most gung-ho self-avowed male `feminists'.

>I have long supported the rights of women; but have found that it more
>often than not only lead to adversity.

    You were not supposed to encounter adversity, were you?

    Good try, though. You make me proud to be a man.

    Your dedication to the cause was surely an inspiration for us all.

>So in the end, you must defend yourself, and I will defend poetry.

    Please do -- next time in spanish -- and in the correct newsgroup.

-michael