martillo@mit-athena.UUCP (Joaquim Martillo) (07/21/85)
>> Until Muslims show >> some decency in the way they relate to the non-muslim world, the only >> proper course of action is to suppress them and eventually return Muslim >> nations to colonial domination. >Not too long ago you were advocating an `extermination' of muslim culture >because it is simply too `barbaric'. Now you are content with `suppression' >and `colonial domination' of them? Shame on you Mr. Martillo! A wise and >tough person like you should know better than soften his position against >them savages. I have not changed my position at all; suppression and colonial domination amounts to cultural extermination. By the way I do not claim wisdom but rather common sense which comes from the centuries of subjugation of my family to Muslim overlords. In case you have forgotten, I am one of those savages because my mother's family were southern Libyan troglodytes. On the other hand in honor of the women's conference in Nairobi, I should point out that with regard to women Islam should not be considered merely savagely unacceptable. Any religion which cannot decide whether cutting off a women's clit is merely mustahab (commendable) or wajib (obligatory) is definitely criminal. By the way I do not conceal my background, but to be honest in any discussion of the middle east you should tell us whether you are some sort of Muslim or rather an Armenian just brown-nosing your former Muslim masters.
ethan@utastro.UUCP (Ethan Vishniac) (07/22/85)
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After reading Mr. Martillo's postings on Islam and the various responses
I think there are a few points no one has raised.
First, isn't it obvious that whatever the goals and ideals of various
moslems Mr. Martillo is the only one in this discussion with the slightest
idea of what it means to be a minority in a conservative moslem nation?
Second, are the Moslems any worse than the Christians of a few centuries
ago? There seems to be some reason to hope that these nations will learn
to treat minorities and women decently without abandoning Islam.
Third, if they don't, is anyone suggesting that we (meaning the West) do
anything about it? I thought not.
--
"Don't argue with a fool. Ethan Vishniac
Borrow his money." {charm,ut-sally,ut-ngp,noao}!utastro!ethan
Department of Astronomy
University of Texaszubbie@ihlpl.UUCP (Jeanette Zobjeck) (07/24/85)
> > >> Until Muslims show > >> some decency in the way they relate to the non-muslim world, the only > >> proper course of action is to suppress them and eventually return Muslim > >> nations to colonial domination. Yes one must be careful to thoroughly suppress any group of people who do not agree with you or with which you find an obnoxious difference so as to further the good of all mankind. It seems resonable that Muslims are determined to advocate their own beliefs and practices regardless of world or private sector opinion and so steps should be taken to get the rapscalion upstarts back into place and keep them there no matter what. In fact under a colonial situation we could arrange things so only W-A-S-P's, or perhaps an even more restrictive definition of a group, can hold public office, vote or conduct and/or own a business. All other types could then be workers and the type we would choose to supress culd be given lower pay and poor working conditions and the like till they fell into line with the rest of the world. Perhaps if they don't fall into line quickly enough we could gather them all together into large camps where we could control them better, if there are some overcrowded camps well that's all right since these people are really deserving of oa taste of their own medicine anyhow. Perhaps if they suffer too much we could try eliminating the infirm, the old the sick, the trouble makers, the women (they only breed more trouble makers) and then we culd retrainthe children to help in keeping the rest of them inline so to speak. GEE WHIZ why didn't some one else think of this wonderful and final solution to the problem and in so doing we could further the master race to new heights of freedom and accomplishment. ================================================================================ THE ABOVE IS MEANT TO BE SARCASTIC - JUST IN CASE THERE IS SOMEONE OUT THERE WHO CAN'T TELL THAT FROM THE OTHER POSTING I HAVE MADE. JLZ ============================================================================== -- Jeanette Zobjeck ihnp4!ihlpl!zubbie ================================================================================ These are my opinions! I worked for them and I intend to enjoy them. Handle carefully or else someone might think they are yours also. ================================================================================
martillo@csd2.UUCP (Joachim Martillo) (08/05/85)
Just out of curiosity, Miss Zobjeck, are you defending the practise of clitoridectomy in Islam? /* csd2:net.women / zubbie@ihlpl.UUCP (Jeanette Zobjeck) / 2:01 pm Jul 24, 1985 */ >> >> >> Until Muslims show >> >> some decency in the way they relate to the non-muslim world, the only >> >> proper course of action is to suppress them and eventually return Muslim >> >> nations to colonial domination. > > >Yes one must be careful to thoroughly suppress any group of people who do >not agree with you or with which you find an obnoxious difference so as to >further the good of all mankind. > >It seems resonable that Muslims are determined to advocate their own >beliefs and practices regardless of world or private sector opinion >and so steps should be taken to get the rapscalion upstarts back into place >and keep them there no matter what. > >In fact under a colonial situation we could arrange things so only >W-A-S-P's, or perhaps an even more restrictive definition of a group, >can hold public office, vote or conduct and/or own a business. >All other types could then be workers and the type we would >choose to supress culd be given lower pay and poor working >conditions and the like till they fell into line with the rest of the world. > >Perhaps if they don't fall into line quickly enough we could gather them all >together into large camps where we could control them better, if there are >some overcrowded camps well that's all right since these people are really > deserving of oa taste of their own medicine anyhow. >Perhaps if they suffer too much we could try eliminating the infirm, the old >the sick, the trouble makers, the women (they only breed more trouble makers) >and then we culd retrainthe children to help in keeping the rest of them >inline so to speak. > >GEE WHIZ why didn't some one else think of this wonderful and >final solution to the problem and in so doing we could further the master >race to new heights of freedom and accomplishment. > >================================================================================ >THE ABOVE IS MEANT TO BE SARCASTIC - JUST IN CASE THERE IS SOMEONE >OUT THERE WHO CAN'T TELL THAT FROM THE OTHER POSTING I HAVE MADE. >JLZ >============================================================================== >-- >Jeanette Zobjeck ihnp4!ihlpl!zubbie >================================================================================ >These are my opinions! >I worked for them and I intend to enjoy them. >Handle carefully or else someone might think they are yours also. >================================================================================ >/* ---------- */ >