chabot@miles.DEC (All God's chillun got guns) (08/24/85)
David London > My idea is that part of this is a sort of "sexual play", and that this would > remain in a non-sexist society. I.e. there is nothing wrong with treating > someone as a sex object as long as that's not the way you treat them at all > times. No, this isn't quite right. There is something wrong in treating someone as a sex object just because you feel like sex; if they don't this doesn't really give you justification for embarassing them with catcalls or comments, or in trying to coerce them. You shouldn't ever think of people as objects. I've met some unfortunates who treat their lover(s) as sex objects when they're in the mood without regard to the lover(s) mood, and yet at other times seem to be able to treat people as people. L S Chabot ...decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-amber!chabot chabot%amber.dec@decwrl.arpa
barry@ames.UUCP (Kenn Barry) (08/27/85)
From L S Chabot (decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-amber!chabot): >David London > >> My idea is that part of this is a sort of "sexual play", and that this would >> remain in a non-sexist society. I.e. there is nothing wrong with treating >> someone as a sex object as long as that's not the way you treat them at all >> times. > >No, this isn't quite right. There is something wrong in treating someone >as a sex object just because you feel like sex; if they don't this doesn't >really give you justification for embarassing them with catcalls or comments, >or in trying to coerce them. > >You shouldn't ever think of people as objects. I've met some unfortunates who >treat their lover(s) as sex objects when they're in the mood without regard >to the lover(s) mood, and yet at other times seem to be able to treat people >as people. You may be reading more into Mr. London's statement than he intended. I think a distinction can be made between treating someone as an object, and acting against someone's wishes. Being a sex object (occasionally) has a pleasant side, and many of us are happy to play that role from time to time. Perhaps this is all he was trying to say. - From the Crow's Nest - Kenn Barry NASA-Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- USENET: {ihnp4,vortex,dual,nsc,hao,hplabs}!ames!barry