[net.women] men, women & net.women

jdg@husky.uucp (Jeff Gortatowsky) (08/29/85)

Jeff Lichtman writes to Ross G.:
>You have a habit of consistently misinterpreting other's arguments, and then
>abusing them for positions which *you* attribute to them.  This is getting
>really annoying.  Why don't you give it up, Ross?  You're proving yourself
>to be a real twit.

First let me state I'm a lurker. You know the type. I sit here and
read the news. I've got plenty to say but never bother to take the
time to say it.  Well even the lurkers should say things now and then.
Just to let the rest of the world know I'm still alive, here is my
$.02.

Us Jeff's seem to have reached a similar conclusion. I only wish I had
said it. I'm tired of reading net.women only to find that I'm reading
what men have to say. I can go to 100 other nets to find out what men
have to say!  Hell, I'm a man. I could just sit here and talk to
myself :-) .  I keep  coming back to net.women in the hope that the
women closely involved with the high technology world, women in a
similar environment as myself, will strike up a dialog about issues
that interest and concern them, so I might learn something I didn't
know or understand.

       Instead I find bufoons like this guy Greenburg who drive the
very people I want hear from off the net. Worse, I along with 90%(?) of
the rest of the male population spend a significant portion of our
time trying to convince women that we are NOT like, and do NOT agree
with men like Ross. I  don't know if Sunny ever pointed this out but
the one quality men seem to lack is the ability to shut up and listen.
Just listen. Even after listening, not to say a word. How many times
did you just need to say something out loud? You didn't need anyone to
comment. Just to listen.

I'm not suggesting that men refrain totally from submitting to
net.women.  Just that we do more listening. This net is not a
privilage FOR women, it is a forum ABOUT women. Who better to tell us ABOUT
women and what concerns them then women? Please let them speak without
commenting every damn time! Try to just listen for once! Your not
relinquishing any damn power to women (people gain power, it has
nothing to do with sex, ask M. Thatcher, or I. Gandhi or G. Meir),
your just sparing the rest of us your boring attacks on issues  your
not willing to listen to or learn about in the first place.

	 Sorry.....flame off.....Back to lurking mode........
		   Talk to y'all again someday....



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Jeff Gortatowsky       {allerga,seismo}!rochester!ritcv!husky!jdg
Eastman Kodak Company  {eagle,astrovax,netword!}sun!sunrise!husky!jdg
 
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and time.

P.S. Sunny... The 2/160 I'm writing this on always gives me a different 
background when I read your messages. Must be a Sun(ny) feature! :-) 
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Jeff Gortatowsky       {allerga,seismo}!rochester!ritcv!husky!jdg
Eastman Kodak Company  {eagle,astrovax,netword!}sun!sunrise!husky!jdg
 
These comments are mine alone and do not reflect light very well, therefore
have poor photographic properties and (sh/c)ould not be associated at all
with Eastman Kodak or anyone else at/in this relative space and time.