regard@ttidcc.UUCP (Adrienne Regard) (08/21/85)
>> Adrienne Regard >> I'm not suggesting that we automatically suppose that Sunny knows how the >> world turns, and could she all show us the way, but automatic rejection based >> on nothing but uninformed prejudice seems unnecessary, doesn't it? What >> about looking at what was _said_? > Jeff Sonntag > But I *was* reacting to what she _said_! She said that testosterone >was a 'poison' which 'clouded the mind'. So what can we condlude from this? >That all men are walking around with their bloodstreams filled with a mind >clouding poison *and* that women (normally) *don't* have their minds clouded. Now, wait a minute, Jeff. You may be forgetting that this whole discussion began with the question of whether or not *ALL* women walked around with their minds "clouded" by the poison of PMS, so your conclusion above doesn't make any sense. Testosterone poisoning is probably just as bad/benign as PMS -- it affects some people not at all, some to a small degree, and a very small number of people to a large degree. It _does_ exist, but I'm sure you'd agree that it's a pretty slim basis for judging a complete character. Shall we try to quantify the whole of the human race in these two camps? Let's not, and say we did. > So apparently, either: > a.) Sunny's right, but my mind is too clouded by testosterone to > realize it. > b.) Sunny is wrong. Sunny is probably no more right or wrong than Ross Greenberg. . . . (No offense, you two. It's just a little hard to generalize from your obviously specific viewpoints. Er, you did take a viewpoint, didn't you Ross? You weren't just running the net around a mulberry bush?) Adrienne Regardd
greenber@timeinc.UUCP (Ross M. Greenberg) (08/23/85)
In article <695@ttidcc.UUCP> regard@ttidcc.UUCP (Adrienne Regard) writes: > >Sunny is probably no more right or wrong than Ross Greenberg. . . . >(No offense, you two. It's just a little hard to generalize from your >obviously specific viewpoints. Er, you did take a viewpoint, didn't you >Ross? You weren't just running the net around a mulberry bush?) > I think I should resent that, but I'm sure Sunny does, too! :-) Seriously, I've gotten a lot of mail recently regarding this PMS thing. Combining that with what I've read on the net, I have reached a personal veiwpoint on Whether PMS Makes Women Less Effective. I open the envelope and read: Sometimes. It seems the following points come up, the validity of which I can not vouch for (wrong genitalia and hormones): 1) Some women suffer from PMS in varying degrees 2) In most cases, these women can deal with PMS (via a variety of different mental exercises) 3) These exercises are mostly: additional concentration to tasks, including decision making. Counting to '10' (or higher! :-)) Staying away from potential problems for those tough days. 4) Emotions seem to run pretty high before a period, including crying bouts, and loss of temper 5) In no case do the women that have responded, either to me personally, or to the net, feel that they (or any other women) are less effective due to PMS. I have a problem with #5, due to #3 and #4. Here's why: I just can't imagine that ANYONE, male or female, is capable of performing as well with #3&4 as without. Consider this: each of us performs less and less well as we get more and more tired. I feel that constantly having to *think* about *everything* that comes up must be draining on a person, and that they get more and more tired as they put more and more effort into making a decision that *they* conclude is not hormone based. This includes those men that suffer from TP (although I've STILL not yet seen/heard anyone with any data relating to this unique male phenomemon!) I could be wrong, and realize that I'm not stating this as a fact: this is an opinion. Those of you wishing to comment, please do so via e-mail -- let's keep this off the net for a while, so tempers can cool. For those interested, I've gotten about thirty (!!) responses, both pro and con, regarding the entire series of articles about PMS. This means (for those that read about net group's magic numbers) that we could have a new group called: net.women.pms. :-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Ross M. Greenberg @ Time Inc, New York --------->{vax135 | ihnp4}!timeinc!greenber<--------- I highly doubt that Time Inc. would make me their spokesperson. --- "You must never run from something immortal. It attracts their attention." -- The Last Unicorn
norman@lasspvax.UUCP (Norman Ramsey) (08/25/85)
In article <457@timeinc.UUCP> greenber@timeinc.UUCP (Ross M. Greenberg) writes: >For those interested, I've gotten about thirty (!!) responses, >both pro and con, regarding the entire series of articles about PMS. >This means (for those that read about net group's magic numbers) >that we could have a new group called: net.women.pms. :-) Good! Can we please have net.women.pms, and move the discussion to it? What needs to be done? -- Norman Ramsey ARPA: norman@lasspvax -- or -- norman%lasspvax@cu-arpa.cs.cornell.edu UUCP: {ihnp4,allegra,...}!cornell!lasspvax!norman BITNET: (in desperation only) ZSYJARTJ at CORNELLA US Mail: Dept Physics, Clark Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York 14853 Telephone: (607)-256-3944 (work) (607)-272-7750 (home)
berman@psuvax1.UUCP (Piotr Berman) (09/03/85)
> In article <695@ttidcc.UUCP> regard@ttidcc.UUCP (Adrienne Regard) writes: > > > >Sunny is probably no more right or wrong than Ross Greenberg. . . . > >(No offense, you two. It's just a little hard to generalize from your > >obviously specific viewpoints. Er, you did take a viewpoint, didn't you > >Ross? You weren't just running the net around a mulberry bush?) > > > > I think I should resent that, but I'm sure Sunny does, too! :-) > > Seriously, I've gotten a lot of mail recently regarding this PMS > thing. Combining that with what I've read on the net, I have reached > a personal veiwpoint on Whether PMS Makes Women Less Effective. > > I open the envelope and read: > > Sometimes. > > It seems the following points come up, the validity of which I can not > vouch for (wrong genitalia and hormones): > > 1) Some women suffer from PMS in varying degrees > 2) In most cases, these women can deal with PMS (via a variety > of different mental exercises) > 3) These exercises are mostly: additional concentration to tasks, > including decision making. Counting to '10' (or higher! :-)) > Staying away from potential problems for those tough days. > 4) Emotions seem to run pretty high before a period, including > crying bouts, and loss of temper > 5) In no case do the women that have responded, either to me > personally, or to the net, feel that they (or any other > women) are less effective due to PMS. > > I have a problem with #5, due to #3 and #4. > > Here's why: I just can't imagine that ANYONE, male or female, is > capable of performing as well with #3&4 as without.............. > ................................................................ I do not understand the goal of this presentation. OK, some women are not performing as well before their periods as at other times. SO WHAT? Imagine a woman president who must take an important decision, but she is having PMS. Can we compare her with a male president who cannot perform well without his daily afternoon nap? Or with another imaginary president who cannot perform well without one week on his ranch every month? More seriously, people have usually quite variable performance (unless they happen to be Martina Navratilova). They have headaches, allergies, hangovers, etc., etc. Men tend to of poorer health than women (they live shorter in average), thus I am not sure that they fare much better than women, if one considers all the reasons for a diminished performance (who has more hangovers?). Personally, I have my performance diminished fairly often due to my allergy. This fact is fairly obvious to other people in my department. Nobody considered this as a possible objection against my employement. Fortunately, I am productive enough at other times. Summarizing, I do not see any reason to dwell about efects of differing levels of female hormons any more than on effects of adrenalin, insulin, cortison, hystamin etc. etc. (male) Piotr Berman