[net.women] re possible ban on pornography

regard@ttidcc.UUCP (Adrienne Regard) (09/24/85)

>>> Pornography does not, in and of itself, cause violent and anti-social
>>> behavior.
>>I agree with your argument but this is vaguely reminicent of the NRA --
>>"Guns don't kill..." [I favour much stronger gun control.]
>To the extent that it goes, the NRA argument is accurate.  However, there
>is a very fundamental difference between pornography and guns:  guns can
>be dangerous simply because someone doesn't understand them, whereas porn
>is only dangerous in the hands of a (mentally) sick individual -- be they
>male or female.

First, let me say that I'm not interested in banning pornography.  Second,
let me say that the above comment is absurd.  Does a 13 year old
"understand" all the implications of what s/he sees in pornography,
especially pornography that depicts degrading or dangerous sexual
practices?  That's a rather large assumption to make.  It is one of the
basic assumptions of the anti-porn movement that people sub-consciously
"see" much more than consenting adults doing what they enjoy -- which may
also be incorrect, but errs on the side of care rather than neglect.  There
is very little fundamental difference as you cite it above.  The _real_
fundamental difference is that a gun is a weapon that can be used harmfully
on another human being (for protection or harm.  I don't support stronger
gun control), whereas it's a little difficult to imagine someone harming
someone else using porn material as the actual agent -- stuffing a magazine
down a throat?  Using film to hang someone?  Better if you must, to compare
pornographic pictures with pictures of guns in use, and compare merely the
consenting adult to the possessor of the actual weapon.

hollombe@ttidcc.UUCP (The Polymath) (09/24/85)

In article <731@ttidcc.UUCP> regard@ttidcc.UUCP (Adrienne Regard) writes:
>                                        ...  Better if you must, to compare
>pornographic pictures with pictures of guns in use, and compare merely the
>consenting adult to the possessor of the actual weapon.

Bravo!  I agree entirely.  BTW, there's _a lot_ of  psychological  evidence
that  watching  "pictures  of guns in use" can lead to violent behavior and
desensitization to violence.  There is _no_  evidence  that  watching  non-
violent pronography leads to violence of any kind.

Taking an  informal  survey,  I  found  that  most  people's  attitudes  on
pornography  are  something  like  "I  like to watch what I like to do".  I
don't think anyone is inspired to go out and beat up people by watching S&M
on  screen.  Rather, they watch it because _they're already into it_.  I've
sat through and read  some  porn  along  those  and  other  unusual  lines.
BORING!  It's not something I like to do and watching others do it holds no
interest or excitement for me.  The same goes for gay porn, B&D,  and  most
of the more obscure kinks (ok, so I have a dull sex life (-: ).

Whether we like to think about it or not, there _really  are_  people,  men
and  women,  who  _like_ to be tied up and beaten.  They're the ones who go
out and buy S&M oriented pronography because that's what they like  to  do.
As  long  as  they  don't  force  their  practices on unwilling or underage
partners _it's none of our business_.

The tiny minority who do  force  unconsenting  people  to  participate  are
labeled "sick" or "rapist" and put away when caught (a mild punishment, but
the best we're willing to do).  There's  no  evidence  at  all  that  these
people  would  reform  in  the  absence of pronography.  On the contrary, a
friend who, until recently, was a  clinical  social  worker  at  Atascadero
State  Hospital  (for  the  criminally  insane), where there's certainly no
pornography to be had, tells  me  that  many  of  the  inmates  are  simply
incorrigible  under  any  circumstance. (She was quite an idealist when she
first went to work there.  Now she favors the death penalty in such cases).

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