[net.women] pornography and force

chabot@miles.DEC (10/29/85)

> Should  a  husband  be able to force his wife to fulfill fantisies picked up
> from pornography?

The operative word here is "force".  The answer is "No."

> Rapists tend to be abnormal and with or without pornography, they will
> vent sexual frustrations in abnormal ways. The only threat I see at the
> moment is the male who attempts to coerce his partner into fulfilling
> pornographic fantasies. Normally, this would be a problem for married or
> cohabitating couples.

It's more than just a problem with couples who live together, it's also a 
problem with couples who may occasionally sleep together but don't live 
together, and couples who date without chaperones; but it's only a problem
when one member of the couple feels justified in using untoward coercion.

 
> > Feminists are divided on this issue: even though Andrea Dworkin and
> > Catharine MacKinnon are pro-censorship, Robin Morgan, Erica Jong, and
> > Carol Vance (the ones I can remember for sure) are against it.
>  
> There are feminists who actually maintain the superiority of women and
> promote female domination of men in porn publications run by women.
> In fact, the arguments of such authors is quite convincing.  Of course,
> the objective of most feminists is equal opportunity isn't it?  Can
> you outlaw female submissives without outlawing female dominants?

I have no idea what you're saying here--"Of course, the objective of most
feminists is equal opportunity, isn't it?" strikes me as being a "straw man":
it's not obvious what "most feminists" means, not is it at all clear that
people agree what equal opportunity is, based on the postership in this
newsgroup.  Clearly, from the previous posting, there are different opinions
existing in the community of those who call themselves feminists.

On the other hand, I really wonder about the relevance of Jerry's delight in
the Playboy Mensa photo-article to the content of net.women.  Someone remarked
that it's discriminatory to have a net.women and not a net.men: it has become
increasingly clear what with the tie discussions and all that net.women is 
net.human (or perhaps net.humans-inhumanity-to-humans :-) ).