werner@aecom.UUCP (Craig Werner) (12/04/85)
Based on the anecdotal accounts of the use of a coca-cola douche as
a form of contraception in the third world, and the recent New Coke/Classic
Coke debate, 3 doctors at Harvard Medical School published a letter in the
New England Journal of Medicine comparing the Spermicidal effects of
New Coke and Classic. Their result was that Classic Coke was 5 times more
effective at killing sperm in-vivo than its new emasculated formula, suggested
not pH but rather some factor in the "secret formula" was responsible.
The conclusion of the study was, at least in this area, "'Classic'
Coke Is It."
It was written as a scientific account, but it was a joke -- since
sperm in found in the oviducts within minutes and hence douching is an
innefective form of contraception.
However, this article was picked up in the popular press, which lost
its subtle wit in the translation, and now many people fear women might try
it. Spread the word: it's a bad idea -- douching doesn't work for one, and
two, even Coke Classic leaves about 8% of the sperm alive after the first
minute. Lastly, there is a small chance of the CO2 carbonation forming gas
bubbles in the blood - with serious consequences. So, restrict Coca-Cola to
your mouth.
Source:
Umpierre, Hill, and Anderson
Effect of "Coke" on Sperm Motility
NEJM 313:1351
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Craig Werner
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"... Has Determined That Cigarette Smoking Is Dangerous To Your Health"wurzelma@aecom.UUCP (John Wurzelmann) (12/05/85)
> > Based on the anecdotal accounts of the use of a coca-cola douche as > a form of contraception in the third world, and the recent New Coke/Classic > Coke debate, 3 doctors at Harvard Medical School published a letter in the As I recall, it turns out that Diet Coke is an even more effective spermicide than either, Coke Classic or New Coke! In any case, while it's apparent that none of these beverages constitute an effective means of birth control, they are probably better than nothing in the case of an emergency, say a rape, or a case or rapid-onset fulminant irresponsibility. I also wonder how the church and/or the right to life groups are going to react to the fact that an over the counter contraceptive is and has been advertised over the air waves for lo so many years. Imagine if you will Archbishop O'Connor picketing NBC for it's airing of Coca-Cola ads. Finally, I doubt that any C0 2 which may end up in the blood stream following a Coke Douche can do any harm, since the body is well equipped for getting rid of it, and since gynecologists have been injecting the female genital tract with air for years, for the purpose of demonstrating the patency of the fallopian tubes, and without any serious adverse reactions. John Wurzelmann
hollombe@ttidcc.UUCP (The Polymath) (12/05/85)
In article <2115@aecom.UUCP> wurzelma@aecom.UUCP (John Wurzelmann) writes: > In any case, while it's >apparent that none of these beverages constitute an effective means of >birth control, they are probably better than nothing in the case of an >emergency, say a rape, or a case or rapid-onset fulminant irresponsibility. No, they are _not_ better than nothing. They're dangerous and can make a bad situation worse. Even a standard douche is ineffective as a contraceptive. Douching with Coke won't work and can cause a number of hazardous side effects. There are other solutions to the rape problem. > Finally, I doubt that any C0 2 which may end up in the blood stream >following a Coke Douche can do any harm, since the body is well equipped >for getting rid of it, and since gynecologists have been injecting the >female genital tract with air for years, for the purpose of demonstrating >the patency of the fallopian tubes, and without any serious adverse reactions. There's something of a difference between a controlled medical procedure and a hasty rinse with a soft drink. In various human sexuality courses I was taught one should _never_ blow into a woman's vagina because of a very real possibility of lethal embolism. I've heard of cases where the woman died within _3 seconds_ of having this done to her. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe) Citicorp(+)TTI Common Sense is what tells you that a ten 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. pound weight falls ten times as fast as a Santa Monica, CA 90405 one pound weight. (213) 450-9111, ext. 2483 {philabs,randvax,trwrb,vortex}!ttidca!ttidcc!hollombe
wurzelma@aecom.UUCP (John Wurzelmann) (12/06/85)
> In article <2115@aecom.UUCP> wurzelma@aecom.UUCP (John Wurzelmann) writes: > > -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ > The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe) > Citicorp(+)TTI Common Sense is what tells you that a ten > 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. pound weight falls ten times as fast as a > Santa Monica, CA 90405 one pound weight. > (213) 450-9111, ext. 2483 > {philabs,randvax,trwrb,vortex}!ttidca!ttidcc!hollombe *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE ***
wurzelma@aecom.UUCP (John Wurzelmann) (12/06/85)
> There's something of a difference between a controlled medical procedure > and a hasty rinse with a soft drink. In various human sexuality courses I > was taught one should _never_ blow into a woman's vagina because of a very > real possibility of lethal embolism. I've heard of cases where the woman > died within _3 seconds_ of having this done to her. > The story about blowing into women's vaginas is true, but applies only to pregnant women whose circulatory system can be broached via the decidua basalis, where it attaches to the placenta. This also requires air administered at higher pressure than coke fizz. Finally no one is realistically proposing that Coke be used as contraception, even though the fact of the matter is, that it is used for just this purpose in some third world countries, and that there have not, to my knowledge, been any fatalities or cerbrovascular accidents reported as a result. John Wurzelmann
jeff@rtech.UUCP (Jeff Lichtman) (12/07/85)
> > > > Based on the anecdotal accounts of the use of a coca-cola douche as > > a form of contraception in the third world, and the recent New Coke/Classic > > Coke debate, 3 doctors at Harvard Medical School published a letter in the > > > As I recall, it turns out that Diet Coke is an even more effective > spermicide than either, Coke Classic or New Coke! In any case, while it's > apparent that none of these beverages constitute an effective means of > birth control, they are probably better than nothing in the case of an > emergency, say a rape, or a case or rapid-onset fulminant irresponsibility. > > John Wurzelmann I'm not a doctor, but plain old common sense tells me that Coke is for drinking. Before you recommend using Coke as a douche, why don't you go through your kitchen cabinet and try all of the substances you find there in your various body orifices? You might find some beneficial effect in some of your trials. For instance, what would happen if you put mustard up your nose? You never know, it might cure a cold. Then again, it could cause permanent damage to your nasal membranes. Seriously, Mr. Wurzelmann's posting disturbs me. He seems to be saying that a woman who finds herself in danger of an unwanted pregnancy should try something which is medically inadvisable (if only because no one knows what it could do), instead of seeing a doctor. -- Jeff Lichtman at rtech (Relational Technology, Inc.) "Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proved innocent..." {amdahl, sun}!rtech!jeff {ucbvax, decvax}!mtxinu!rtech!jeff
seger@h-sc1.UUCP (carol seger) (12/08/85)
> In article <2115@aecom.UUCP> wurzelma@aecom.UUCP (John Wurzelmann) writes: > > In any case, while it's > >apparent that none of these beverages constitute an effective means of > >birth control, they are probably better than nothing in the case of an > >emergency, say a rape, or a case or rapid-onset fulminant irresponsibility. > I have always read that if you are raped you should not douch or otherwise attempt to clean yourself before seeing the police or a doctor. This is so that important physical evidence is not lost. Carol Seger.
jcp@osiris.UUCP (Jody Patilla) (12/08/85)
> There's something of a difference between a controlled medical procedure > and a hasty rinse with a soft drink. In various human sexuality courses I > was taught one should _never_ blow into a woman's vagina because of a very > real possibility of lethal embolism. I've heard of cases where the woman > died within _3 seconds_ of having this done to her. In every documented case of this happening (I've read of at least 10) the woman has been pregnant. Pregnancy increases the permeability of the vagina/uterus and so the air emboli travel very fast. Why this has never been made absolutely clear to the general public, I don't know, but it's incredibly dangerous. -- jcpatilla Earth is paid a diplomatic visit by giant extragalactic icky things that understand us all too well and are truly cosmic and can be killed by a crowd of peasants with torches.
mdf@osu-eddie.UUCP (Mark D. Freeman) (12/08/85)
Lethal embolism from blowing into a woman's vagina?! If there was even a one in one thousand chance of this occurring, I am sure that the tens of thousands of women dying in bed during oral sex would make headlines around the world. -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark D. Freeman Guest account at The Ohio State University StrongPoint Systems, Inc. mdf@osu-eddie.UUCP 209 Olentangy Street Mdf@Ohio-State.CSNET Columbus, OH 43202-2340 Mdf%Ohio-State@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA !cbosgd!osu-eddie!mdf I disclaim even my existance. "Life is but a dream . . . Sh-boom" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
seifert@hammer.UUCP (Snoopy) (12/09/85)
In article <2110@aecom.UUCP> werner@aecom.UUCP (Craig Werner) writes: > > Based on the anecdotal accounts of the use of a coca-cola douche as > a form of contraception in the third world, [ ... ] > Their result was that Classic Coke was 5 times more effective at > killing sperm in-vivo than its new emasculated formula, suggested > not pH but rather some factor in the "secret formula" was responsible. > The conclusion of the study was, at least in this area, "'Classic' > Coke Is It." Yes, but is it any good against AIDS? [maybe Coke and rum? :-) ] (why not? It kills sperm, it kills the pancreas...) Snoopy tektronix!tekecs!doghouse.TEK!snoopy
hollombe@ttidcc.UUCP (The Polymath) (12/09/85)
In article <2119@aecom.UUCP> wurzelma@aecom.UUCP (John Wurzelmann) writes: > ... Finally >no one is realistically proposing that Coke be used as contraception, even >though the fact of the matter is, that it is used for just this purpose >in some third world countries, and that there have not, to my knowledge, been >any fatalities or cerbrovascular accidents reported as a result. You yourself stated that douching with Coke might be "...better than nothing." in the event of rape or other unprotected intercourse. Even ignoring the dangers of douching with Coke at all, this is inadvisable as the Coke could well force the semen higher into the uterus thus _increasing_ the likelihood of pregnancy (this can happen with _any_ douche and is one reason they are ineffective as contraceptives). Such a procedure could also destroy material evidence in a rape case. Dr. David Reuben also proposed douching with Coke in his book _Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex (but were afraid to ask)_. This book was subsequently lambasted by experts in the field as being full of misinformation, old wives' tales, and apocryphal nonsense. With respect to his recommendation of Coke as a douche the critics (medical doctors all) stated that the procedure could lead to " ... infection, embolism, and death.". -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe) Citicorp(+)TTI The more I work with C, the more I 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. appreciate the simple elegance of Santa Monica, CA 90405 FORTRAN. (213) 450-9111, ext. 2483 {philabs,randvax,trwrb,vortex}!ttidca!ttidcc!hollombe
dave@cylixd.UUCP (Dave Kirby) (12/10/85)
In article <2110@aecom.UUCP> werner@aecom.UUCP (Craig Werner) writes: >...Spread the word: it's a bad idea -- douching doesn't work for one, and >two, even Coke Classic leaves about 8% of the sperm alive after the first >minute... Classic Coke has been shown to work well as a contraceptive, provided that it is administered properly. The proper use as contraceptive (in female): place can between thighs and hold there for duration of sexual activity. The colder, the better. :-)
hankb@teklds.UUCP (Hank Buurman) (12/10/85)
In article <948@osu-eddie.UUCP> mdf@osu-eddie.UUCP (Mark D. Freeman) writes: >Lethal embolism from blowing into a woman's vagina?! >If there was even a one in one thousand chance of this occurring, I am sure >that the tens of thousands of women dying in bed during oral sex would make >headlines around the world. Believe it! This is no joke, but an extremely dangerous practice (well documented). I know personally of one case resulting in quick death. -- Hank Buurman Tektronix Inc. ihnp4!tektronix!dadlac!hankb -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-Beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die." -- Roy Baty, N6MAA10816, Nexus6, Combat Model -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
dave@cylixd.UUCP (Dave Kirby) (12/11/85)
Dr. Reuben's famous book ("Everything You Always...") talks at
length about the use of Coke as contraceptive douche. He says most
people feel the 6-oz size is just about right.
I think about this every time I drink a bottled Coke.
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"Do you know for SURE where that bottle's been?"oleg@birtch.UUCP (Oleg Kiselev) (12/13/85)
In article <1366@teklds.UUCP> hankb@teklds.UUCP (Hank Buurman) writes: >In article <948@osu-eddie.UUCP> mdf@osu-eddie.UUCP (Mark D. Freeman) writes: >>Lethal embolism from blowing into a woman's vagina?! >>If there was even a one in one thousand chance of this occurring, I am sure >>that the tens of thousands of women dying in bed during oral sex would make >>headlines around the world. >Believe it! This is no joke, but an extremely dangerous practice (well >documented). I know personally of one case resulting in quick death. HUH? Anybody cares to explain this? HOW does "quick" death occure? From WHAT? -- Disclamer: My employers go to church every Sunday, listen to Country music, and donate money to GOP. I am just a deviant. +-------------------------------+ Don't bother, I'll find the door! | "VIOLATORS WILL BE TOAD!" | Oleg Kiselev. | Dungeon Police |...!{trwrb|scgvaxd}!felix!birtch!oleg --------------------------------+...!{ihnp4|randvax}!ucla-cs!uclapic!oac6!oleg