leary@batcomputer.TN.CORNELL.EDU (Pat Leary) (02/08/86)
Just to add a new & different note to the discussion, I would like to say that I must agree with some of the points Cheryl has raised. And don't think I'm saying this just because she's a co-worker of mine; I'll be the first to admit that she's an obnoxious bitch (only joking, Cheryl, only joking...) Some of you have said that yes, there are men who are sexist assholes, but (and I quote) "that's their problem." The point is, however, that it's also very much women's problem; to pretend otherwise is like saying racism was just the "problem" of the Southern lynch-mobs who held those racist attitudes. Similarly, I believe that women do have the right to criticize other women (civilly, one hopes) who behave like female Uncle Toms, because what one individual does ultimately *does* affect others. If enough females accept lower pay in my field, that will become the standard for my field; if enough females make the "individual decision" to follow their husbands at the ex- pense of their own careers, it will become (or reinforce) the standard ex- pectation in society that women should follow their husbands. So what others do *can* hurt me.
debray@sbcs.UUCP (Saumya Debray) (02/10/86)
> Similarly, I believe that women do have the right to criticize other women > (civilly, one hopes) who behave like female Uncle Toms, because what one > individual does ultimately *does* affect others. If enough females accept > lower pay in my field, that will become the standard for my field; if enough > females make the "individual decision" to follow their husbands at the ex- > pense of their own careers, it will become (or reinforce) the standard ex- > pectation in society that women should follow their husbands. I see. In the name of Progress and Freedom, you wish to deny some people the freedom to make decisions about their personal lives. You know what's Correct. You know you know what's Correct. And all those retards out there who aren't sharp enough to share your Correct attitudes will just have to be saved from themselves, won't they? Of course, your motives are only the most honourable! And sure, Brutus was an honourable man. -- Saumya Debray SUNY at Stony Brook uucp: {allegra, hocsd, philabs, ogcvax} !sbcs!debray arpa: debray%suny-sb.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa CSNet: debray@sbcs.csnet