ellen@reed.UUCP (Ellen Eades) (02/14/86)
> > Gregg Mackenzie > cisden!gmack > That's just because it's all a subversive plot and we're all against > you. We've all come to realize that Cheryl is the only one who > *really* knows what's going on in our (men's) sick, twisted little > minds. The only thing we can do now is eliminate Cheryl and hope > she hasn't spread the truth too far. We're gonna get you Cheryl. > You can't hide .... our people are everywhere... THIS IS *NOT* *FUNNY*!!!! Gregg did not attach *any* smiley-faces to this posting and I intend to treat it seriously. Threats by men toward women are not in any way humorous. I think any man who enjoys saying "We're gonna get you Cheryl" has a SICK mind and a CRUEL one. The fact is that women are *killed* *every* *day* in the United States by men. Gregg's attempt to use this fact as humor is twisted and outrageous. He is poking fun at the fear that many women consider a natural part of daily life and I cannot tolerate it. He is making a joke out of murder, rape, beating and intimidation. IT IS *NOT* *A* *JOKE*!!! Ellen Eades (tektronix!reed!ellen) -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Who's been repeating all that hard stuff to you?" "I read it in a book," said Alice. - - - - - - - - - - - - -
jeffw@midas.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) (02/15/86)
In article <2501@reed.UUCP> ellen@reed.UUCP (Ellen Eades) writes: >> >> Gregg Mackenzie >> cisden!gmack >> That's just because it's all a subversive plot and we're all against >> you. We've all come to realize that Cheryl is the only one who >> *really* knows what's going on in our (men's) sick, twisted little >> minds. The only thing we can do now is eliminate Cheryl and hope >> she hasn't spread the truth too far. We're gonna get you Cheryl. >> You can't hide .... our people are everywhere... > >THIS IS *NOT* *FUNNY*!!!! > >Gregg did not attach *any* smiley-faces to this posting and I >intend to treat it seriously. Threats by men toward women are >not in any way humorous. I think any man who enjoys saying >"We're gonna get you Cheryl" has a SICK mind and a CRUEL one. >The fact is that women are *killed* *every* *day* in the United >States by men. Gregg's attempt to use this fact as humor is >twisted and outrageous. He is poking fun at the fear that many >women consider a natural part of daily life and I cannot >tolerate it. He is making a joke out of murder, rape, beating >and intimidation. IT IS *NOT* *A* *JOKE*!!! Sorry about this, but...wrong, wrong, and once again wrong. Not that I don't believe in a situation as tragic as you describe. Just that it doesn't have a damn thing to do with the article in question, except that the one happened to make you think of the other. (Uh-oh, there goes that psychoanalytical engine again.) Gregg's article is a painfully obvious satire on Cheryl's belligerence. He is poking fun at her and her recent rhetorical style - NOT at anyone's fear or death or rape or pet ptarmigan (Now watch this space for far-fetched attempts to show that I think rape is no more serious than ptarmigans - really some of these people are just too bloody-minded to be believed! (not you, Ellen)). And I think you know that very well - you just choose to ignore it so you can flame away. In doing so you make a number of assumptions and implications that seem to me to make the terms "twisted and outrageous" mild by comparison. Why conclude that cruelty rather than (at worst) tastelessness was the motive? Frankly, although I can't very strenuously disagree with most of what Cheryl says (leaving out the obvious BS), I think she's taking herself far too seriously these days, and a little satire aimed in that direction is welcome. I thought it was good for a chuckle. If you think that makes me sick and cruel, you only show how little you know me. And besides, it's that damn psychoanalysis again. :-) Jeff Winslow "Why do you hate the So$#%^&BLAM!!! uurrgh..."
greenber@phri.UUCP (Ross Greenberg) (02/16/86)
In article <2501@reed.UUCP> ellen@reed.UUCP (Ellen Eades) writes: >> [Quoting Gregg] >> >> That's just because it's all a subversive plot and we're all against >> you. We've all come to realize that Cheryl is the only one who >> *really* knows what's going on in our (men's) sick, twisted little >> minds. The only thing we can do now is eliminate Cheryl and hope >> she hasn't spread the truth too far. We're gonna get you Cheryl. >> You can't hide .... our people are everywhere... > >THIS IS *NOT* *FUNNY*!!!! > >Gregg did not attach *any* smiley-faces to this posting and I >intend to treat it seriously. Threats by men toward women are >not in any way humorous...... Q: How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb? A: That's *not* funny! Ellen, Calm down. Gregg wasn't serious, and didn't need any smileys. It was obvious he was trying to relieve some of the tension in this group caused by someone who certainly (at the least) advocates that women treat men NOW as men have treated women in the past. I'm speaking of Cheryl, of course. Cheryl doesn't use too many smileys either, I've noticed! -- ------ ross m. greenberg ihnp4!allegra!phri!sysdes!greenber [phri rarely makes a guest-account user a spokesperson. Especially not me.]
joe@oucs.UUCP (Joseph Judge) (02/16/86)
> > > Gregg did not attach *any* smiley-faces to this posting and I > intend to treat it seriously. Threats by men toward women are > not in any way humorous. I think any man who enjoys saying > "We're gonna get you Cheryl" has a SICK mind and a CRUEL one. > The fact is that women are *killed* *every* *day* in the United > States by men. Gregg's attempt to use this fact as humor is ^^^ This is not a flame, just a question. I have heard that women make more vicious terrorists than men. They are more ruthless & will tortue, mutilate & kill even babies w/o remorse. Anybody read anything about that?? -- Joseph Judge 414 Morton Hall Ohio University Athens, Ohio 45701 {amc1,bgsuvax,cbdkc1,cbosgd,cuuxb,osu-eddie}!oucs!joe seltsam, zu wandern im Nebel ...
tim@oucs.UUCP (Tim Thompson) (02/16/86)
============================================================== > > Gregg Mackenzie > > cisden!gmack > > That's just because it's all a subversive plot and we're all against > > you. We've all come to realize that Cheryl is the only one who > > *really* knows what's going on in our (men's) sick, twisted little > > minds. The only thing we can do now is eliminate Cheryl and hope > > she hasn't spread the truth too far. We're gonna get you Cheryl. > > You can't hide .... our people are everywhere... ============================================================== > > THIS IS *NOT* *FUNNY*!!!! > > Gregg did not attach *any* smiley-faces to this posting and I > intend to treat it seriously. Threats by men toward women are > not in any way humorous. I think any man who enjoys saying > "We're gonna get you Cheryl" has a SICK mind and a CRUEL one. > The fact is that women are *killed* *every* *day* in the United > States by men. Gregg's attempt to use this fact as humor is > twisted and outrageous. He is poking fun at the fear that many > women consider a natural part of daily life and I cannot > tolerate it. He is making a joke out of murder, rape, beating > and intimidation. IT IS *NOT* *A* *JOKE*!!! > > Ellen Eades > (tektronix!reed!ellen) ============================================================== Ellen, I agree with you whole-heartedly. As much as I do not like the majority of Cheryl's postings, I will fight for her right to post them. Any type of threat, even in jest, is a violation of Cheryl's rights, and (as you said) *IS* *NOT* *FUNNY*!!!!!!!! -- Tim Thompson 414 Morton Hall Ohio University Athens, Ohio 45701 ihnp4!{amc1,cbdkc1,cbosgd}!oucs!tim Disclaimer: If the University finds out what I'm doing, they probably couldn't care less.
cheryl@batcomputer.TN.CORNELL.EDU (cheryl) (02/17/86)
In article <145@midas.UUCP> jeffw@midas.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) writes: >>> >>> Gregg Mackenzie >>> cisden!gmack >>> That's just because it's all a subversive plot and we're all against >>> you. We've all come to realize that Cheryl is the only one who >>> *really* knows what's going on in our (men's) sick, twisted little >>> minds. The only thing we can do now is eliminate Cheryl and hope >>> she hasn't spread the truth too far. We're gonna get you Cheryl. >>> You can't hide .... our people are everywhere... >> >>THIS IS *NOT* *FUNNY*!!!! >> >>Gregg did not attach *any* smiley-faces to this posting and I >>intend to treat it seriously. Threats by men toward women are >>not in any way humorous. I think any man who enjoys saying >>"We're gonna get you Cheryl" has a SICK mind and a CRUEL one. > >Gregg's article is a painfully obvious satire on Cheryl's belligerence. >He is poking fun at her and her recent rhetorical style - NOT at anyone's >Frankly, although I can't very strenuously disagree with most of what >Cheryl says (leaving out the obvious BS), I think she's taking herself >far too seriously these days, and a little satire aimed in that direction >is welcome. I thought it was good for a chuckle. If you think that makes... "Don't take the world so seriously, little girl", the big man said. "If you do, we'll only make fun of you and laugh at you. We'll make pretend death threats on you, and say, 'it was only a joke,' when you or your friends get upset." Hey, Gregg only proves himself to be a class-1 Jerk. You think that bothers me? I never claimed there was a conspiracy -- only cultural biases shared by men & women which serve to keep women down, and which must be openly argued against if women are to make the transition from down to up. If Gregg wants to make a fool of himself by posting taunts and threats, he can be my guest. Cheryl
bing@galbp.UUCP (Bing Bang) (02/18/86)
In article <> greenber@phri.UUCP (Ross Greenberg) writes: >In article <2501@reed.UUCP> ellen@reed.UUCP (Ellen Eades) writes: >>> [Quoting Gregg] >>> >>> That's just because it's all a subversive plot and we're all against >>> you. We've all come to realize that Cheryl is the only one who >>> *really* knows what's going on in our (men's) sick, twisted little >>> minds. The only thing we can do now is eliminate Cheryl and hope >>> she hasn't spread the truth too far. We're gonna get you Cheryl. >>> You can't hide .... our people are everywhere... >> >>THIS IS *NOT* *FUNNY*!!!! >> >>Gregg did not attach *any* smiley-faces to this posting and I >>intend to treat it seriously. Threats by men toward women are >>not in any way humorous...... > >Q: How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb? >A: That's *not* funny! i'm sorry, but i just can't see how anybody could take what gregg said seriously. i thought one of the worst sereotypes of ardent feminists was the claim that they lacked totally any sense of humor, especially when it concerned their cause. it is people like this women here that propagate this kind of unfortunate stereotyping. i know this will draw flames up my *** but i don't care... some like it hot! bing -- "Break, but never bend." from an oak tree i know ...that can move in two directions at the same time ...akgua!galbp!bing
jeffw@midas.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) (02/19/86)
In article <250@batcomputer.TN.CORNELL.EDU> cheryl@batcomputer.UUCP () writes: >In article <145@midas.UUCP> jeffw@midas.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) writes: >> >>Frankly, although I can't very strenuously disagree with most of what >>Cheryl says (leaving out the obvious BS), I think she's taking herself >>far too seriously these days, and a little satire aimed in that direction >>is welcome. I thought it was good for a chuckle. If you think that makes... > > "Don't take the world so seriously, little girl", the big > man said. I just want to emphasize that, in her misparaphrase of my comments (do you make specialty of inaccuracy, Cheryl?) that she substituted "world" for "herself". I'm sure all you amateur psychoanalysts can have a lot of fun with that one. How did she know that I'm the tallest one in my family? Really, this woman is amazing. Jeff Winslow "Why do you hate me?" - Socrates
tim@ism780c.UUCP (Tim Smith) (02/22/86)
Gregg Mackenzie with an obvious implied :-), writes: > > you. We've all come to realize that Cheryl is the only one who > *really* knows what's going on in our (men's) sick, twisted little > minds. The only thing we can do now is eliminate Cheryl and hope > she hasn't spread the truth too far. We're gonna get you Cheryl. > You can't hide .... our people are everywhere... and gets flamed at like this: > > THIS IS *NOT* *FUNNY*!!!! > > Gregg did not attach *any* smiley-faces to this posting and I > intend to treat it seriously. Threats by men toward women are > not in any way humorous. I think any man who enjoys saying > "We're gonna get you Cheryl" has a SICK mind and a CRUEL one. > The fact is that women are *killed* *every* *day* in the United > States by men. Gregg's attempt to use this fact as humor is > twisted and outrageous. He is poking fun at the fear that many > women consider a natural part of daily life and I cannot > tolerate it. He is making a joke out of murder, rape, beating > and intimidation. IT IS *NOT* *A* *JOKE*!!! > > Ellen Eades > (tektronix!reed!ellen) Oh no, Gregg! She knows! We have to get her too! :-) But seriously, you need to relax! He was not poking fun at the fear that many women ( and men too; they get killed everyday also! ) consider a natural part of their lives. He was poking fun at the style of writing of a particular person. If that person had been male, I wonder if anyone would have complained? Perhaps you need a trip to the beach to calm down? :-) -- Tim Smith sdcrdcf!ism780c!tim || ima!ism780!tim || ihnp4!cithep!tim
mat@mtx5a.UUCP (m.terribile) (02/22/86)
> >>> That's just because it's all a subversive plot and we're all against > >>> you. We've all come to realize that Cheryl is the only one who > >>> *really* knows what's going on in our (men's) sick, twisted little > >>> minds. The only thing we can do now is eliminate Cheryl and hope > >>> she hasn't spread the truth too far. We're gonna get you Cheryl. > >>> You can't hide .... our people are everywhere... . . . > > "Don't take the world so seriously, little girl", the big > man said. "If you do, we'll only make fun of you and laugh > at you. We'll make pretend death threats on you, and say, > 'it was only a joke,' when you or your friends get upset." > > Hey, Gregg only proves himself to be a class-1 Jerk. You > think that bothers me? I never claimed there was a > conspiracy -- only cultural biases shared by men & women > which serve to keep women down, and which must be openly > argued against if women are to make the transition from > down to up. . . > Cheryl Sigh. Cheryl, Gregg's posting was obviously in poor taste. Before you OR Gregg post another thing on this group, please go out and get a copy of ``The Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense'' by Suzette Haden Elgin (Dorset Press) This whole thing is a grand case of two (or more) people who are talking right past each other because they are talking in two different languages using the same words. Gregg's reply was a tease, a choice bit of bait for your anger. You were expected to ignore it and find another way to retaliate. While it stung you, it was just another example of the crap that males in our society learn to give and take. You took it as a personal insult, in effect grabbing his knife and stabbing yourself through the heart with it. By coming into the arena with an axe to grind, and then grinding it at the top of your lungs, you invited, in the eyes of someone trained to ``take it, don't whine'', a few smart-ass remarks. Gregg, this is net.women . It is NOT net.let's.show.the.women.how. to.be.real.men . While Cheryl has been kicking someone who is down, SHE doesn't see it that way. And she is not likely to respond well to the crap that we throw at each other to show us how messed up each other's poositions are. You call it ``no sense of humor''. She calls it dangerous and an immediate threat. Neither of you understands where in the hell the other is coming from. -- from Mole End Mark Terribile (scrape .. dig ) mtx5b!mat (Please mail to mtx5b!mat, NOT mtx5a! mat, or to mtx5a!mtx5b!mat) ,.. .,, ,,, ..,***_*.
debray@sbcs.UUCP (Saumya Debray) (02/22/86)
Ellen Eades: > > That's just because it's all a subversive plot and we're all against > > you. We've all come to realize that Cheryl is the only one who > > *really* knows what's going on in our (men's) sick, twisted little > > minds. The only thing we can do now is eliminate Cheryl and hope > > she hasn't spread the truth too far. We're gonna get you Cheryl. > > You can't hide .... our people are everywhere... > > THIS IS *NOT* *FUNNY*!!!! > > Gregg did not attach *any* smiley-faces to this posting and I > intend to treat it seriously. Threats by men toward women are > not in any way humorous. I think any man who enjoys saying > "We're gonna get you Cheryl" has a SICK mind and a CRUEL one. I used to think that some things were so patently obvious that to attach labels describing them would almost be insulting the reader's intelligence ("This is a joke, you idiot, see?") But then, the tradition here is "when in doubt, flame", and maybe I'd best revise that opinion! Interestingly enough, I notice that Gregg's blatantly anti-male stereotyping ("sick, twisted little minds") passed without comment. (No, I refuse to insult your intelligence by annotating that last sentence!). > The fact is that women are *killed* *every* *day* in the United > States by men. Are you suggesting that this is, in some fundamental way, more significant than the fact that men are *killed* *every* *day* by men (and, I dare say, women) too? -- Saumya Debray SUNY at Stony Brook uucp: {allegra, hocsd, philabs, ogcvax} !sbcs!debray arpa: debray%suny-sb.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa CSNet: debray@sbcs.csnet
jeff@rtech.UUCP (Jeff Lichtman) (02/23/86)
> > (do you make specialty of inaccuracy, Cheryl?) > > Jeff Winslow No, that's my job, remember? And I'm getting tired of people horning in on my specialty. If you want to be inaccurate, you should go through an apprenticeship and then join the union. I hate scabs, and the field has no room for amateurs. If this inaccuracy doesn't stop, I shall have to picket net.women. Swazoo Koolak Local Inaccurates #313 P.S. I know this has nothing to do with feminism, but things need lightening up around here. -- Jeff Lichtman at rtech (Relational Technology, Inc.) "Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proved innocent..." {amdahl, sun}!rtech!jeff {ucbvax, decvax}!mtxinu!rtech!jeff
nap@druxo.UUCP (ParsonsNA) (02/27/86)
> ...Before you > OR Gregg post another thing on this group, please go out and get a copy > of ``The Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense'' by Suzette Haden Elgin (Dorset > Press)... Does ANYONE know where I can get a copy? I've been told that it is out of print at every potential source I could think of... Thanks for any help, Nancy Parsons