rob@dadla.UUCP (Rob Vetter) (07/30/86)
In article <584@ssc-bee.UUCP> fuji@ssc-bee.UUCP (Glen T Fujimori) writes: >[...] > >> (myself included) want to get married and most of the single men I know >> in the same age group (~25) do not want to get married. Those men who >> are aprox 25 and are getting or have gotten married recently seem to have >> been given the choice of get married or find someone else. Am I looking >> at an unusual slice of people or do others find this true also? >> >> -Beth Eades > > [general agreement, but] My problem arises when the subject >of kids comes up...it seems that alot of the women who are so willing to get >married are *unwilling* to have kids (at least the one's I've met). I guess >I'm old fashioned but I'd like to have a few kids, maybe more. >>> On a slightly different but similar topic, what about the laws agains >>> polygamy? In what way does polygamy threaten our society that it is >>> dangerous enough to be outlawed? >>> >>> - E. Eades O.K., (he says raising his dragon scaled sheild), I brought these two subjects together because to me they are very related. I too want to have children. I also see major advantages in marriage for raising them. But the biggest problem with marriage is the accepted or implied promise to be loyal to one and only one other person. A person can be loyal to their country, their family, their employer, and their spouse - can it hurt to be loyal to their SPOUSES ? Monogamy is an outgrowth of the female "needing" a provider. Now that it has been shown that the female is perfectly capible of providing for herself, it seems silly. I am still looking for a group of people who (1) agrees with me, and (2) is compatible. I won't get married until I do (or until I realize that I'm gonna die old and alone for looking ;-) ). -- Rob Vetter (503) 629-1044 [ihnp4, ucbvax, decvax, uw-beaver]!tektronix!dadla!rob " " !psu-cs!vetterr "Waste is a terrible thing to mind" - NRC (Well, they COULD have said it)
chapman@calder.Berkeley.EDU (Brent Chapman) (08/02/86)
In article <945@dadla.UUCP> rob@dadla.UUCP (Rob Vetter) writes: > O.K., (he says raising his dragon scaled sheild), I brought these > two subjects together because to me they are very related. I too > want to have children. I also see major advantages in marriage > for raising them. But the biggest problem with marriage is the > accepted or implied promise to be loyal to one and only one other > person. > > A person can be loyal to their country, their family, their employer, > and their spouse - can it hurt to be loyal to their SPOUSES ? I agree; I regard laws concerning marriage as part of the same class as laws concerning sex between consenting adults (let's not go into definitions of "adult" here; I have my own pet peeves on THAT issue.. Why is it we hear of "sex discrimination" and "race discrimination" and the like, but never "age discrimination" ?), how a person spends their leisure time, and the like: No one else's business but the parties involved. Robert A. Heinlein does a neat job of discussing the advantages of polygamous marriages, and makes a minor issue of the topic in at least two of his books: _The_Moon_Is_a_Harsh_Mistress_ and _Time_Enough_for_Love_. (From one of the books: "The plural of 'spouse' is 'spice'." :-) > > Monogamy is an outgrowth of the female "needing" a provider. Now > that it has been shown that the female is perfectly capible of > providing for herself, it seems silly. This remark, taken in context with those earlier in his posting, seems to imply that when the writer discusses "polygamy", he means "one me, many wives", instead of a so-called "extended family group". I hope I'm misinterpreting his meaning. On a related topic, has anyone here had any experience with "extended non-blood-related family" situations? For instance, two married couples living together as one big family? I'm simply curious about what special problems (and joys) such an arrangement can cause; marriage is nowhere in my forseeable future. (Maybe I've been hanging around with Peter "Marriage isn't a word, it's a sentence" Korn too much lately :-) Brent