[net.ai] life is but a dream

lew@ihuxr.UUCP (10/07/83)

Michael Massimilla informs us that consciousness and self-awareness are
ILLUSIONS. This is like saying "It's all in your mind." As Nietzsche said,
"One sometimes remains faithful to a cause simply because its opponents
do not cease to be insipid."

	Lew Mammel, Jr. ihuxr!lew

norm@ariel.UUCP (N.ANDREWS) (10/08/83)

re Michael Massimilla's idea (not original, of course) that consciousness
and self-awareness are ILLUSIONS.  Where did he get the concept of ILLUSION?
The stolen concept fallacy strikes again!  This fallacy is that of using
a concept while denying its genetic roots... See back issues of the Objectivist
for a discussion of this fallacy.... --Norm on ariel, Holmdel, N.J.

blenko@rochester.UUCP (Tom Blenko) (10/08/83)

The statement that consciousness is an illusion does not mean it does
not or cannot have a concrete realization. I took the remarks to mean
simply that the entire mental machinery is not available for
introspection, and in its place some top-level "picture" of the process
is made available. The picture need not reflect the details of internal
processing, in the same way that most people's view of a car does not
bear much resemblance to its actual mechanistic internals.

For those who may not already be aware, the proposal is not a new one.
I find it rather attractive, admitting most own favorable
predisposition towards the proposition that mental processing is
computational.

I still think this newsgroup would be more worthwhile if readers
adopted a more tolerant attitude. It seems to be the case that there is
nearly always a silly interpretation of someone's contribution;
discovering that interpretation doesn't seem to be a very challenging
task.

	Tom Blenko
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