[net.ai] Flaming Mad

mort@brl-bmd@sri-unix.UUCP (10/12/83)

From:  Morton A. Hirschberg <mort@brl-bmd>

  I have refrained  from  reflaming  since  I  sent  the  initial
conference  announcement  on  "Intelligent Systems and Machines."
First,  the  conference  is  not  being  sponsored  by   the   US
Government.   Second,  many  papers  may  be  submitted  by those
affected by the security  release  and  it  seemed  necessary  to
include  this as part of the announcement.  Third, I attended the
conference at Oakland earlier  this  year  and  it  was  a  super
conference.  Fourth, you may bite your nose to spite your face if
you as an individual do not want to submit a paper or attend  but
you are not doing much service to those sponsoring the conference
who are true scientists by urging boycotts.  Finally, below is  a
little of my own philosophy.

  I have rarely  seen  science  or  the  application  of  science
(engineering)  benefit anyone anywhere without an associated cost
(often called an investment).  The costs are usually borne by the
investors  and  if  the  end  product is a success then costs are
passed  on  to  consumers.   I  can  find  few   examples   where
discoveries  in  science  or  in  the  name  of  science have not
benefited the discoverer and/or  his  heirs,  or  the  investors.
Many  of  our  early discoveries were made by men of considerable
wealth who could dally with theory and experimentation  (and  the
arts)  and science using their own resources.  We may have gained
a heritage but they gained a profit.

  What seems to constitute a common heritage is either  something
that  has been around for so long that it is either in the public
domain or is a  romanticized  fiction  (e.g.  Paul  Muni  playing
Pasteur).   Simultaneous  discovery has been responsible for many
theories being in  the  public  domain  as  well  as  leading  to
products  which were hotly contested in lawsuits.  (e.g. did Bell
really invent the telephone or Edison the movie camera?)

  Watson in his book "The Double Helix" gives a clear picture  of
what  a typical scientist may really be and it is not Arrowsmith.
I did not see Watson refuse his Noble because the radiologist did
not get a prize.

  Government, and here for historical reasons we must also include
state  and  church, has  always had a role in the sciences.  That
role is one that governments can not always be proud of (Galileo,
Rachael Carson, Sakharov).

  The manner in  which  the  United  States  Government  conducts
business  gives  great  latitude  to scientists and to investors.
When the US Government buys something it should be theirs just as
when  you as an individual buy something.  As such it is then the
purview of the US Government as to what to do with  the  product.
Note  the  US  Government  often  buys  with  limited  rights  of
ownership and distribution.

  It has been my observation having worked in  private  industry,
for a university, and now for the government that relations among
the three has not been optimal and in  many  cases  not  mutually
rewarding.   This  is  a  great  concern  of  mine and many of my
colleagues.  I would like a role in changing relations among  the
three  and do work toward that as a personal goal.  This includes
not  referring  to  academicians  as  eggheads   or   charlatans;
industrialists  as grubby profiteers; and government employees as
empty-headed bureaucrats.

  I recommend that young flamers try to maintain a little naivete
as they mature but not so much that they are ignorant of reality.

  Every institution has its structure and by in large  one  works
within  the  structure to earn a living or are free to move on or
can work to change that structure.  One possible  change  is  for
the US Government to conduct business the way the the Japanese do
(at least in certain cases).  Maybe AI is the place to start.

  I also notice that mail on the net comes  across  much  harsher
than  it  is  intended  to  be.  This can be overcome by being as
polite as possible and being more verbose.  In addition, one  can
read their mail more than once before flaming.

                                Mort