[net.ai] What about physical identity?

notes@ucbcad.UUCP (11/03/83)

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ucbesvax!turner    Nov  3 01:57:00 1983

	It's surprising to me that people are still speaking in terms of
machine intelligence unconnected with a notion of a physical host that
must interact with the real world.  This is treated as a trivial problem
at most (I think Ken Laws said that one could attach any kind of sensing
device, and hence (??) set any kind of goal for a machine).  So why does
Hubert Dreyfus treat this problem as one whose solution is a *necessary*,
though not sufficient, condition for machine intelligence?

	But is it a solved problem?  I don't think so--nowhere near, from
what I can tell.  Nor is it getting the attention it requires for solution.
How many robots have been built that can infer their own physical limits
and capabilities?

	My favorite example is the oft-quoted SHRDLU conversation; the
following exchange has passed for years without comment:

	->  Put the block on top of the pyramid
	->  I can't.
	->  Why not?
	->  I don't know.

(That's not verbatim.)  Note that in human babies, fear of falling seems to
be hardwired.  It will still attempt, when old enough, to do things like
put a block on top of a pyramid--but it certainly doesn't seem to need an
explanation for why it should not bother after the first few tries.  (And
at that age, it couldn't understand the explanation anyway!)

	SHRDLU would have to be taken down, and given another "rule".
SHRDLU had no sense of what it is to fall down.  It had an arm, and an
eye, but only a rather contrived "sense" of its own physical identity.
It is this sense that Dreyfus sees as necessary.
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Michael Turner (ucbvax!ucbesvax.turner)