[net.ai] Should The Turing test be modified w

mwm@ea.UUCP (07/25/84)

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ea!mwm    Jul 25 11:54:00 1984

>What I am wondering is "should the Test be modified
>to Our times?"

I don't think so; at least not with the video link you mentioned.  A key
element in the Turing Imitation game was that it hid the handicaps suffered
by the computer, leaving only the (possible) intelligence exposed. If you
could modify it without subtracting that property, then I'd say yes. It
just isn't clear that that can be done.

>I can see it now,
>over a crude link, we discover that we cannot tell the difference between
>man and machine, then we hook up a video link, and the difference 'becomes
>apparent.'

If that were the case, it would seem that the "apparent difference" would
be identical to the difference you get between a blind man and a sighted
man.  Are we therefore to conclude that the blind are only artificially
intelligent.

>--eugene miya
>  NASA Ames Research Center

	<mike

mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) (07/31/84)

The Turing test played over a teletype can give way to one played
over a graphics terminal without laying any less bare the intelligence
causing the display.  But there is an interesting lead article in
a recent issue of Science (July something) on impacts of computers,
which has something possibly relevant to say.  In the experience of
IBM, the networking facilities have been used almost never by scientists
to do joint work from one site to another, sometimes by engineers
on major projects, and frequently by managers.  Could it be that the
subtle concepts required by scientists do not transmit well over
current technology, but that the simpler ideas used repetitively by
managers are satisfactorily handled?
  If there is some kind of a technology limitation on the power of
thought conveniently communicated, then the Turing Game should be
updated whenever new technology permits.  The only thing that should
be unfair is to demand a sight of the testee, or to demand that
he/she/it move voluntarily or perform actions not expressible on
a current technology computer terminal.
-- 

Martin Taylor
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