[net.ai] $12,000 Software?

Geoff%SRI-CSL@sri-unix.UUCP (08/02/84)

From:  the tty of Geoffrey S. Goodfellow <Geoff @ SRI-CSL>


San Francisco Sunday Examiner & Chronicle, July 29, 1984

John Dvorak
PERISCOPE

$12,000 software?

Would you pay $600 apiece for gold-plated lug nuts to be used on the
beat-up rims of a '52 Ford pickup truck?  What would you think of the
marketing man who suggested such a products?  I'd think he was crazy.

There's a company down in Palo Alto that has a software package it
would like someone to buy.  (A little background music, please) The
company is called Teknowledge Inc. and was started by Stanford
professors.

The company makes software for the IBM PC.  You can buy an IBM PC for
around $2,000.  The software this company sells costs $12,000.  It
accomplishes one thing: It allows you to test an idea to see whether
an expert system can be built around the idea.  An expert system is a
computer system that solves complex problems using so-called
artificial intelligence.

An example of an expert system is a program called Mycin.  It was
developed in the 1970s to diagnose meningitis and other infections.  A
user tells the computer certain requested facts and the computer then
leads the user to something close to a diagnosis.

Now most people would have made a package like this and had it run on
an IBM mainframe computer or at least a VAX minicomputer.  But to put
a $12,000 piece of software on a personal computer is cavalier, to say
the least.  It's as if to say, "Yeah, we've got this package and we
know what it's worth, and we're going to let the well-heeled
government-financed research companies use it.  Look, we can even make
it run on a personal computer--look, but don't touch.

This is the old pre-micro attitude toward software.  It was proven to
be myopic when companies like MicroPro, Ashton-Tate and MicroSoft
started doing business in excess of $50 million a year by selling for
$500 software that would have cost $12,000 if marketed by Teknowledge.
MicroPro decided that everyone needed the power of a dedicated word
processor, Ashton-Tate felt that more than just a few dozen researchers
would like the power of a relational database, and MicroSoft felt that
a computer language would be popular if available for $350 instead of
$35,000.

OK, so forget about the price.  What can the Teknowledge package do?
The system is called M.1 (pronounced M dot 1 by my friends).
According to its own press release, you spend the $12,000 "for rapid
prototyping of potential full-scale operational systems.  In addition
to establishing technical feasibility, these example systems serve as
useful demonstrations."  That means this investment just gets you
started--started spending, that is.

Luckily, the system can also create a stand-alone expert system with
up to 200 knowledge base entries.  I'm not impressed.  The company
goes on to exemplify this stand-alone value with a "Wine Adviser"
expert system with 100 knowledge base entries.  Here's the actual
output from this "expert" system.  This is called by the company "the
deliberation process of a typical California wine expert." The computer
asks the question and the user responds.

Do you generally prefer red or white wines?    Red.

Do you generally prefer light, medium or full-bodies wines?    Full.

Is the main component of the meal meat, fish or poultry?    Poultry

Does the meal have turkey in it?    No.

Is the sauces for the meal spicy, sweet, cream or tomato?    Tomato.

Is the flavor of the meal delicate, average or strong?    Average.

The following wines will mostly be dry, medium-bodies, and red.  They
are recommended for your meal:  Zinfandel (86%); Cabernet Sauvignon
(86%); Burgundy (34%); Valpolicella (34%).


At this point every wine connoisseur is turning over in his grave.  So
the user goes out and buys a Zinfandel from Amador County laced with
residual sugar and 15 percent alcohol, drinks it with his chicken,
gags and decides that this "expert" system is useless.

The fact is that even the most mundane expert systems such as this are
infinitely complex and impossible to develop with the limitations
imposed by this $12,000 diskette.


[To be fair, I doubt that Technowledge intended this expert system
to be taken seriously as a "wine advisor" if they have given it no
knowledge of individual wines.  It is more likely a demonstration
of the type of program and level of sophistication that could be
handled with their system.  If someone with inside knowledge wishes
to defend the system, I will provide a reasonable amount of AIList
"space" for the reply.

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informative pieces like this one.  Thanks, Geoff!  -- KIL]