norskog@fortune.UUCP (12/08/83)
#R:bbncca:-36300:fortune:21500001:000:85 fortune!norskog Dec 7 13:14:00 1983 A friend of mine has a Turing car... comes with an infinites supply of spare parts.
fitch@inmet.UUCP (02/10/84)
#R:sri-arpa:-1618500:inmet:11000007:177600:73 inmet!fitch Feb 8 13:37:00 1984 Did you stop breathing and pumping blood while you wrote your note?
coulter@hpbbla.UUCP (05/10/84)
It may not be what you are looking for, but there are several LISP implementations that run on CP/M. I bought muLISP which is distributed by MICROSOFT. It cost $200. Because of its larger address space, you should be able to get a more capable LISP for the IBM/PC, but it will cost more. The muLISP is fairly complete, although the only data type is integer (it can represent numbers up to 10**255). The DOCTOR (a.k.a. ELIZA) program is supplied with it and it runs.
robert@hpfclq.UUCP (06/09/84)
I think a human or computer presented this problem may end up asking for clarification provided more context (not supplied) were not available. For the problem given I would suspect perhaps not an inconsistancy but rather that I was being asked to setup a mapping from one "world" to another. A similar problem is: If 32 is 0 and 212 is 100 what is 65? This is of course a fahrenheit to celsius conversion problem. Read out of context it sure sounds strange. This kind of mapping problem is very common and might be done correctly by a computer without blinking a led. :-) -Robert (animal) Heckendorn ..!hplabs!hpfcla!robert
robert@hpfclq.UUCP (06/10/84)
Is a soul going to be the real issue here? > I submit that the concept of "soul" is irrelevant only if AI is doomed > to utter failure. Use your imagination and consider a computer program > that exhibits many of the characteristics of a human being in > its ability to reason, to converse, and to be creative and unexpected in > its actions. How will you AI-ers defend yourself if a distinguished > theologian asserts that G-d has granted to your computer program a soul? To those AIers who don't believe in God it probably won't matter much what a distinguished theologain asserts. I think many that beleive in God will wonder why God would come down and bless a computer program with a soul. They will doubt the theologian. And for those that do believe that the program has a soul, what are they to defend themselves from? Are they to defend God for doing it? Or they may just agree with the theologian saying, "Yep, that sure is neat that it has a soul." I think a bigger problem will be empathy for the program. A program that is your friend could be just as hard to kill as any other being. This could be particularly true of people who are only end users of these friend programs and don't understand how it works. It is hard to guess the psycological effects of man-machine freindships. It is a very lonely world and a computer might be your only freind in the world! > If he might be right, the program, and its hardware must not be destroyed. Is cremation bad because that destroys the hardware of something that had a soul? > Perhaps it should not be altered either, lest its soul be lost. > The casual destruction, recreation and development of computer programs > containing souls will horrify many people. Altering such as in psycotherapy for humans and mods to code or inference tables in programs is bad? Operating on people or making mods to hardware is bad? I would imagine not. WHat we do have is the possibility of of modifying and experimenting with models of human psycologies to a degree never before available. What are the issues involved in the torture of beings created out of software? The indescrimenant experimentation on man made psyches may bring about a new form of the antivivisectionist movement. This is all independant of the soul issue for many people. "If it really appears to be human how can you kill it?" will be the underlying measure I think. Again, who knows how the intevening history will condition man to the thought of man made intelligence. > You will face demonstrations, > destruction of laboratories, and government interference of the worst kind. Nice drama here. > Start saving up now, for a defense fund for the first AI-er accused by > a district attorney of soul-murder. Now I speak from the point of view of someone who doesn't hold much stock in the idea of a soul. I do believe in the importance of the human as a thinking, feeling being so we may really agree. A lot of what you said seems to be all based on the issue of a soul. I'm just not convienced that that many people will see it as an issue of the soul. I can see more easily the DA above arguing that the man-made intelligence is alive and therefore can be murdered. > On second thought, you have nothing to fear; no one in AI is really trying > to make computers act like humans, right? You bet AIers are out to make computers act like humans, bit by bit and byte by byte. They are also studying even more general concepts. What is intelligence? What is the nature of thought? This goes beyond just making a machine act like a human. -Robert (animal) Heckendorn hplabs!hpfcla!robert
fritz@hpfclk.UUCP (07/08/84)
I have been reading "Artificial Intelligence Programming" by Charniak et al, and have found it to be a very good intro to Lisp. The second half of the book goes into some detail on useful AI techniques, such as discrimination nets, rule-based inference engines, etc. Gary Fritz ihnp4!hpfcla!hpfclk!fritz
baker@hpfcls.UUCP (07/19/84)
I am interested in the responses that you get, even if they are of minimal interest. Please keep me posted. Thank you, Jim Baker (hpfcla!baker)
jimc@haddock.UUCP (10/05/84)
#R:sri-arpa:-1238300:haddock:9400001:177600:138 haddock!jimc Oct 4 15:20:00 1984 Hello from a friend and former student. Jim Campbell INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation 441 Stuart St. Boston, MA 02116 Phone: 617/247-1155
tom@uoregon.UUCP (tom) (03/18/85)
My disgust and anger at the Mathematical 'Humor' are not
easily put into words. Violent rape is not funny, no matter how it
is cloaked. Such a degrading and horrible thing does not belong in
this forum, as 'humor'. The people who posted this should do some
soul-searching, some thinking. And apologise to the rest of us.
Tom Doehne
hplabs!hp-pcd!uoregon!tom
martyl@ada-uts.UUCP (05/24/85)
Excuse my ignorance, I'm new to AI. What is POPLOG?
Marty Lynchbandekar@ztivax.UUCP (10/07/86)
I see some difficulties in using mathematical models of technical systems as a source of deep knowledge. Mathematical models are usually derived from the structural information about the devices, and one particular mo- del can represent more that one physical device. But I guess the approach would not be impossible as long as you can derive your device structure from your mathematical model. For example transfer function of several devices may be mathematically expressed in the same way. For multiple input/output plants the choice of state variables varies for state space representation. Which variables are affected if a particular physical component is defective and the causal ordering of the variables could be a valuable piece of know- ledge for the purpose of diagnosis. Here, if you can map your model into structural equations you may compute the causal ordering of the state variables.[Iwasaki,Simon '86]. Hierarchical representation of the technical systems is always useful. The concept of views[Struss, 86 to be presented at Sydney Univ. during Feb. 1987] is also important. If you can tell me more about your problem, I may be able to help out. my address: ... unido!ztivax!bandekar Vijay Bandekar :w :q