[net.ai] extended Turing test

colonel@sunybcs.UUCP (Col. G. L. Sicherman) (10/21/86)

> It is not always clear which of the two components a sceptic is
> worrying about. It's usually (ii), because who can quarrel with the
> principle that a veridical model should have all of our performance
> capacities?

Did somebody call me?  Anyway, it's misleading to propose that a
veridical model of _our_ behavior ought to have our "performance
capacities." Function and performance are relative to the user;
in a human context they have no meaning, except to the extent that
we can be said to "use" one another.  This context is political
rather than philosophical.

I do not (yet) quarrel with the principle that the model ought to
have our abilities.  But to speak of "performance capacities" is
to subtly distort the fundamental problem.  We are not performers!


   POZZO:  He used to dance the farandole, the fling, the brawl, the jig,
	   the fandango and even the hornpipe.  He capered.  For joy.  Now
	   that's the best he can do.  Do you know what he calls it?
ESTRAGON:  The Scapegoat's Agony.
VLADIMIR:  The Hard Stool.
   POZZO:  The Net.  He thinks he's entangled in a net.

				--S. Beckett, _Waiting for Godot_
-- 
Col. G. L. Sicherman
UU: ...{rocksvax|decvax}!sunybcs!colonel
CS: colonel@buffalo-cs
BI: colonel@sunybcs, csdsiche@sunyabvc

harnad@mind.UUCP (Stevan Harnad) (10/23/86)

colonel@sunybcs.UUCP (Col. G. L. Sicherman) writes:

>	[I]t's misleading to propose that a veridical model of _our_ behavior
>	ought to have our "performance capacities"...I do not (yet) quarrel
>	with the principle that the model ought to have our abilities. But to
>	speak of "performance capacities" is to subtly distort the fundamental
>	problem. We are not performers!


"Behavioral ability"/"performance capacity" -- such fuss over
black-box synonyms, instead of facing the substantive problem of
modeling the functional substrate that will generate them.