[net.college] hackers or straight A's or Karate Champs or...

sigma@usl.UUCP (Spyridon Triantafyllopoulos) (01/07/85)

The following appeared in an employer's (or someone's with a hiring
capability) posting. I do not recall the author, however.

> Who, then, made the best for our purposes?  Our most successful
> programmers were people who had done something else for a living.  One
> managed a nationwide chain of Karate Parlors before going back to
> school and learning programming, another had trained as a physicist, one
> an air force pilot until he lost a hand in VietNam.  What made these
> people different from the others is not that they were older or more
> experienced - because some were and some weren't.  What made them
> different is that they had come to view the computer as A TOOL USED TO
> SOLVE REAL PROBLEMS.  They understood that it was the real-world problem
> that had to be solved, not a nifty algorithm, nor a textbook exercise.
 
Well, I have seen enough English or History or [add other professions
paying less than $15,000.00 a year before State and Federal Taxes], being
30+, with interesting looking resumes (burger king -> Mc donnalds -> 
wherever public library -> married -> 2 children -> no money -> Computer 
Science, it's HOT -> M.S degree (after 3+ years) -> GREAT JOB HUNT Ver. 2.0)

What is the bottom line? Hacking is a decease, usualy terminal and resulting
in 5+ years in undergrad school. Straight A's is another decease, since 
the B.Sc. is around 130 credits and only 40-45 are C.S. courses, and
the poor *honor(???)* students have to pass their HUMANITIES and 
OLDE ENGLISH courses with A's so that they make the dean's list etc...

BUT: Allowing other, non-professionaly trained personel (people that 
     are in for the BUCK, or switching profession every 2 years, or ??)
     makes it look bad for the rest of us: would you like to be operated 
     by the ex-Biology B.Sc that went at 32 to medical school, finished 
     at 38, and just started as an M.D.?? I have seen too many people 
     in Computer Science that do it this way, most ending up as
     managers anyway since all they can do is write specifications for
     impossible programs. What percentage of C.S., Math, or Engineering
     Students continue to Grad school??? What percentage of *OTHERS*
     does?? 

It is all these people that believe that computers are the solution to
everything. Well, folks, 5-6 years ago, it was much easier to find a
job, and do something. Now, with all these M.S's, we will soon be like
other "crowd" majors. Giving solutions is easy, but solving the problem
(THE PROBLEM) takes guts and much more than a *fast* Master's degree
or tech/voc school education. 

FLAME HARD, it's cold down here in LA. 
 
-- Spiros

Spiros Triantafyllopoulos  <> USENET {ut-sally, akgua}!usl!sigma
Computer Science Dept, USL <> CSNet  TriantafyllopoulosS%usl@csnet-relay.ARPA